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Re: Columbia 1L(s) taking questions

Postby sorcer » Thu Feb 19, 2015 5:06 am

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Re: Columbia 1L(s) taking questions

Postby tlsapp2017 » Thu Feb 19, 2015 5:49 pm

sorcer wrote:I posted this in the applicant thread, but I thought current students may have a bit more insight into this. Just a quick question about scholarships: as an international student, is it impossible to get aid if I didn't get the Hamilton or Butler with my acceptance? Or is it possible to get at least a little bit of merit (not need) aid? In order to do so, do I need to go through the same financial aid questionnaire as those applying for need-based aid?


Columbia likes to pretend for some reason that they don't give merit scholarships to people who don't receive named scholarships. As a result, you need to go through the same financial aid questionnaire as those applying for need-based aid, which is obviously pretty dumb if you know you won't qualify for need aid based on your parents income or whatever. But they definitely do give out merit money through the process, so it's worth doing. (I'm not an international student, but I can't imagine that they differentiate on that basis for aid purposes.)

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Re: Columbia 1L(s) taking questions

Postby almondjoy » Mon Feb 23, 2015 11:36 am

What's the deal with these head shots? Should I signing up for one?

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Re: Columbia 1L(s) taking questions

Postby Nebby » Mon Feb 23, 2015 11:42 am

They do it at orientation, or you can take one yourself and upload it. If you do it yourself, then you need a solid, light-colored background. Like a passport photo.

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Re: Columbia 1L(s) taking questions

Postby almondjoy » Mon Feb 23, 2015 12:29 pm

CounselorNebby wrote:They do it at orientation, or you can take one yourself and upload it. If you do it yourself, then you need a solid, light-colored background. Like a passport photo.

Thanks but I think what I'm talking about is some separate thing for current students. We got a few emails about professional head shots being offered but I don't see why I would need one..

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Re: Columbia 1L(s) taking questions

Postby ph5354a » Mon Feb 23, 2015 12:41 pm

almondjoy wrote:
CounselorNebby wrote:They do it at orientation, or you can take one yourself and upload it. If you do it yourself, then you need a solid, light-colored background. Like a passport photo.

Thanks but I think what I'm talking about is some separate thing for current students. We got a few emails about professional head shots being offered but I don't see why I would need one..


A lot of employers (particularly firms) will ask for a headshot when you summer there to put in their internal database. I don't think you'd need one for 1L unless you're going to a firm. Most people for 2L have gotten away with an existing headshot or had a friend take it. But since it's free, I guess it's a good thing to have.

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Re: Columbia 1L(s) taking questions

Postby jbagelboy » Mon Feb 23, 2015 12:44 pm

ph5354a wrote:
almondjoy wrote:
CounselorNebby wrote:They do it at orientation, or you can take one yourself and upload it. If you do it yourself, then you need a solid, light-colored background. Like a passport photo.

Thanks but I think what I'm talking about is some separate thing for current students. We got a few emails about professional head shots being offered but I don't see why I would need one..


A lot of employers (particularly firms) will ask for a headshot when you summer there to put in their internal database. I don't think you'd need one for 1L unless you're going to a firm. Most people for 2L have gotten away with an existing headshot or had a friend take it. But since it's free, I guess it's a good thing to have.


I agree I'd do it if its free and convenient.

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Re: Columbia 1L(s) taking questions

Postby LetsGoMets » Fri Feb 27, 2015 4:48 pm

Hey all, ASW class visit schedule just went out. Any suggestions?

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Re: Columbia 1L(s) taking questions

Postby Nebby » Fri Feb 27, 2015 4:58 pm

American Legal History would be the only thing you'd understand, and probably the only interesting one on that list.

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Re: Columbia 1L(s) taking questions

Postby jbagelboy » Fri Feb 27, 2015 5:02 pm

LetsGoMets wrote:Hey all, ASW class visit schedule just went out. Any suggestions?

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Antitrust with Wu is a can't-miss: definitely make that class. Lynch's crim is also a great class, most days he's very good. Steer clear of Fed Courts or "Law and" anything, although Moglen's a racket. I would also avoid the 1L classes other than Lynch (Crim, Torts, Property) unless you want to see that experience, but if you do I'd probably go to Merrill's class.

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Re: Columbia 1L(s) taking questions

Postby almondjoy » Fri Feb 27, 2015 5:23 pm

jbagelboy wrote:Antitrust with Wu is a can't-miss: definitely make that class. Lynch's crim is also a great class, most days he's very good. Steer clear of Fed Courts or "Law and" anything, although Moglen's a racket. I would also avoid the 1L classes other than Lynch (Crim, Torts, Property) unless you want to see that experience, but if you do I'd probably go to Merrill's class.


+1 for Merrill's property class. I'm in that now and his dry humor is pretty great imo. Always good for a laugh or two per class.

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Re: Columbia 1L(s) taking questions

Postby Tiago Splitter » Fri Feb 27, 2015 5:34 pm

I feel like if I had gone to Merrill's property class as a 0L I'd have seriously considered skipping law school. Not the one I'd pick. I'd shoot for Lynch's crim class.

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Re: Columbia 1L(s) taking questions

Postby LetsGoMets » Fri Feb 27, 2015 6:10 pm

Thanks guys, appreciate it. We just got sent mock class info also -- I'm with Jamal Greene, have to read Brown v. Board first. They're not gonna be cold calling, are they?

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Re: Columbia 1L(s) taking questions

Postby almondjoy » Fri Feb 27, 2015 6:15 pm

Tiago Splitter wrote:I feel like if I had gone to Merrill's property class as a 0L I'd have seriously considered skipping law school. Not the one I'd pick. I'd shoot for Lynch's crim class.

Haha wow really? Different strokes I guess.

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Re: Columbia 1L(s) taking questions

Postby Tiago Splitter » Fri Feb 27, 2015 6:16 pm

I actually liked Merrill but that class would have to seem pretty boring to a 0L

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Re: Columbia 1L(s) taking questions

Postby J90 » Fri Feb 27, 2015 6:17 pm

almondjoy wrote:
Tiago Splitter wrote:I feel like if I had gone to Merrill's property class as a 0L I'd have seriously considered skipping law school. Not the one I'd pick. I'd shoot for Lynch's crim class.

Haha wow really? Different strokes I guess.


I would've gone the opposite way, too, for Merrill! Merrill's hilarious. Lynch was super dry for me. Can see how you could recommend the other way to a 0L though.

Would recommend Tim Wu's Antitrust and I hear Judge's seminar is good.

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Re: Columbia 1L(s) taking questions

Postby Humbert Humbert » Fri Feb 27, 2015 6:21 pm

Merrill has a great sense of humor/delivery. So dry. He also had an open disdain for tort law (and maybe teaching in general?), which made that class even funnier. Definitely one of my favorites.

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Re: Columbia 1L(s) taking questions

Postby MCFC » Fri Feb 27, 2015 7:03 pm

Tiago Splitter wrote:I feel like if I had gone to Merrill's property class as a 0L I'd have seriously considered skipping law school. Not the one I'd pick. I'd shoot for Lynch's crim class.

I actually did go Merrill's class as a 0L. Some days I imagine it might have been interesting, but the day I was there you all were working through some sort of problem set in the book and it was horrible.

Re: this year's list, I'd echo people for Wu.

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Re: Columbia 1L(s) taking questions

Postby starrydreamz3 » Fri Feb 27, 2015 7:45 pm

I thought torts with Huang was pretty good last year. And torts is a good choice in general for an 0L because you can generally follow the discussion pretty easily.

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Re: Columbia 1L(s) taking questions

Postby john_brown » Fri Feb 27, 2015 8:59 pm

Anyone know whether current law students can audit undergrad courses?

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Re: Columbia 1L(s) taking questions

Postby Tiago Splitter » Fri Feb 27, 2015 9:04 pm

john_brown wrote:Anyone know whether current law students can audit undergrad courses?

Languages are the only ones you can get credit for

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Re: Columbia 1L(s) taking questions

Postby iamgeorgebush » Fri Feb 27, 2015 10:03 pm

i've also heard that lynch and wu would be good choices. for those who don't know, tim wu is the guy who created the term "net neutrality," which is pretty relevant right now considering today's FCC decision. gerard lynch is a judge on the second circuit (federal appeals court covering a region that includes NYC), which means he's kind of a big deal. but more importantly, they're supposedly both very good teachers.

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Re: Columbia 1L(s) taking questions

Postby john_brown » Sat Feb 28, 2015 5:39 pm

Tiago Splitter wrote:
john_brown wrote:Anyone know whether current law students can audit undergrad courses?

Languages are the only ones you can get credit for


Thanks. Any more details on this? Can't find anything online.

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Re: Columbia 1L(s) taking questions

Postby toothbrush » Sun Mar 01, 2015 1:20 am

john_brown wrote:
Tiago Splitter wrote:
john_brown wrote:Anyone know whether current law students can audit undergrad courses?

Languages are the only ones you can get credit for


Thanks. Any more details on this? Can't find anything online.

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Re: Columbia 1L(s) taking questions

Postby Humbert Humbert » Sun Mar 01, 2015 10:38 am

Anyone taken classes at the B school? A lot of them sound interesting and/or practically useful. Also, isn't there some limit on how many you can take?




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