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t14fanboy
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Cornell employment

Postby t14fanboy » Sun Jan 15, 2012 5:42 am

I was wondering if anyone could help me make sense of these statistics from Cornell Career Offices.

http://www.lawschool.cornell.edu/career ... tats-2.pdf

It says that for the class of 2010, 146 out of 192 (76%) was employed at a "very large firm (100+)." Really?? This seemed to contradict the general doom and gloom sentiment echoed by certain people on this forum. I could be completely wrong but don't firms larger that 100 usually paid around six figures to new associates?

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Re: Cornell employment

Postby Lawquacious » Sun Jan 15, 2012 5:45 am

t14fanboy wrote:I was wondering if anyone could help me make sense of these statistics from Cornell Career Offices.

http://www.lawschool.cornell.edu/career ... tats-2.pdf

It says that for the class of 2010, 146 out of 192 (76%) was employed at a "very large firm (100+)." Really?? This seemed to contradict the general doom and gloom sentiment echoed by certain people on this forum. I could be completely wrong but don't firms larger that 100 usually paid around six figures to new associates?



Yeah... Cornell apparently killed it last year.. don't bank on it.. You will be in upstate NY afterall.. Goodluck getting in anyway... :)

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Re: Cornell employment

Postby ahnhub » Sun Jan 15, 2012 6:04 am

C/o 2010 Cornell rocked it. C/o 2011 got smoked just like everybody else: http://abovethelaw.com/2010/07/biglaw-e ... -a-debate/

123 Cornell 2Ls got a summer gig for c/o 2010. 86 got one for c/o 2011.

Apparently things have gotten better since the dark summer of 2010 though. Cornell always does well at putting grads into market-paying work, usually out-performing its ranking.

I still believe that the law school decision shouldn't be motivated by how a particular school does at OCI, though. The more important question is whether you think you'll have good, viable options if OCI doesn't work out.

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Re: Cornell employment

Postby YourCaptain » Sun Jan 15, 2012 9:30 am

ahnhub wrote:C/o 2010 Cornell rocked it. C/o 2011 got smoked just like everybody else: http://abovethelaw.com/2010/07/biglaw-e ... -a-debate/

123 Cornell 2Ls got a summer gig for c/o 2010. 86 got one for c/o 2011.

Apparently things have gotten better since the dark summer of 2010 though. Cornell always does well at putting grads into market-paying work, usually out-performing its ranking.

I still believe that the law school decision shouldn't be motivated by how a particular school does at OCI, though. The more important question is whether you think you'll have good, viable options if OCI doesn't work out.


this is completely wrong.

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Re: Cornell employment

Postby KMaine » Sun Jan 15, 2012 10:17 am

A couple of things:

1. I think that 2012 and 2013 numbers will be closer to 2010 than 2011.
2. I don't see how you can evaluate non-OCI employment, so OCI numbers provide a decent proxy for employment prospects in general. Cornell does usually outperform its ranking.
3. I have liked living in Upstate NY for three years. Not everybody's cup of tea, but it is not forever and it has its charms.

I am happy with my decision to attend Cornell. It has worked out. Law school is always a risk, so make sure to go in informed.

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Re: Cornell employment

Postby johansantana21 » Sun Jan 15, 2012 10:20 am

I highly doubt that every 100+ person sized firm pays market.

But I also doubt that Cornell would straight up lie about it's stats. Even though they are charging me an arm and a leg to go there, so far they have been honest.

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Re: Cornell employment

Postby FlanAl » Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:07 am

An extremely high number of the class of 2013 were supposed to have done really well in OCI a few months ago. I'd say if you were an employer someone who went to "the most competitive t14" in the snowy tundra just so they had that extra shot at NY big law they'd be a fairly attractive candidate. My other guess is that Cornell has always kinda had to hustle a little harder to get their grads employed and so they handled the economy a little better than other schools

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Re: Cornell employment

Postby johansantana21 » Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:14 am

FlanAl wrote:An extremely high number of the class of 2013 were supposed to have done really well in OCI a few months ago. I'd say if you were an employer someone who went to "the most competitive t14" in the snowy tundra just so they had that extra shot at NY big law they'd be a fairly attractive candidate. My other guess is that Cornell has always kinda had to hustle a little harder to get their grads employed and so they handled the economy a little better than other schools


I'm no Cornell troll but what kind of evidence do you have to support this? Even before 2008, Cornell has always been in the top 5-6 in the NLJ250 placements.

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Re: Cornell employment

Postby Arbiter213 » Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:00 pm

johansantana21 wrote:
FlanAl wrote:An extremely high number of the class of 2013 were supposed to have done really well in OCI a few months ago. I'd say if you were an employer someone who went to "the most competitive t14" in the snowy tundra just so they had that extra shot at NY big law they'd be a fairly attractive candidate. My other guess is that Cornell has always kinda had to hustle a little harder to get their grads employed and so they handled the economy a little better than other schools


I'm no Cornell troll but what kind of evidence do you have to support this? Even before 2008, Cornell has always been in the top 5-6 in the NLJ250 placements.


I mean that hill up to MTH is pretty brutal, have to hustle to make it to work on time.

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Re: Cornell employment

Postby flyer2012 » Sun Jan 15, 2012 2:08 pm

I'd tread carefully. They've been on information lockdown with numbers from 2011/2012, which raises suspicion.

And 80/120 is alot of people to not have a job that comes from OCI/what have you. I've heard the good schools like NYU/Columbia actively work to find those people jobs (better resources? more staff? staff not living in a bubble in the middle of nowhere?). At Cornell, you're very on your own.

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Re: Cornell employment

Postby johansantana21 » Sun Jan 15, 2012 2:10 pm

flyer2012 wrote:I'd tread carefully. They've been on information lockdown with numbers from 2011/2012, which raises suspicion.

And 80/120 is alot of people to not have a job that comes from OCI/what have you. I've heard the good schools like NYU/Columbia actively work to find those people jobs (better resources? more staff? staff not living in a bubble in the middle of nowhere?). At Cornell, you're very on your own.


It's early. Information lockdown isn't uncommon at this stage.

Also from talking to 2L's they said OCI went swimmingly this year. But that's just anecdotal evidence but most 2L's seem very content as long as they were above median.

I've only talked to like 5 2L's though.

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Re: Cornell employment

Postby Arbiter213 » Sun Jan 15, 2012 2:45 pm

johansantana21 wrote:
flyer2012 wrote:I'd tread carefully. They've been on information lockdown with numbers from 2011/2012, which raises suspicion.

And 80/120 is alot of people to not have a job that comes from OCI/what have you. I've heard the good schools like NYU/Columbia actively work to find those people jobs (better resources? more staff? staff not living in a bubble in the middle of nowhere?). At Cornell, you're very on your own.


It's early. Information lockdown isn't uncommon at this stage.

Also from talking to 2L's they said OCI went swimmingly this year. But that's just anecdotal evidence but most 2L's seem very content as long as they were above median.

I've only talked to like 5 2L's though.


Yah Career services has been making noises like things went really well this year. No idea where Mr. First Post got his information.

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Re: Cornell employment

Postby ahnhub » Sun Jan 15, 2012 3:45 pm

YourCaptain wrote:
ahnhub wrote:C/o 2010 Cornell rocked it. C/o 2011 got smoked just like everybody else: http://abovethelaw.com/2010/07/biglaw-e ... -a-debate/

123 Cornell 2Ls got a summer gig for c/o 2010. 86 got one for c/o 2011.

Apparently things have gotten better since the dark summer of 2010 though. Cornell always does well at putting grads into market-paying work, usually out-performing its ranking.

I still believe that the law school decision shouldn't be motivated by how a particular school does at OCI, though. The more important question is whether you think you'll have good, viable options if OCI doesn't work out.


this is completely wrong.


I will restate: obviously you should pick a school where 70% get a Biglaw gig through OCI over a school where only 30% do, assuming you want Biglaw. But you shouldn't go to law school at all if you think you're dead in the water if you happen to strike out at OCI.




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