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BigLaw %

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Dec 31, 2011 7:25 pm

Realistically speaking, what is the % of law students who end up in BigLaw after graduation?

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Re: BigLaw %

Postby clone22 » Sat Dec 31, 2011 7:30 pm

depends on school?

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Re: BigLaw %

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Dec 31, 2011 7:34 pm

UVA / Georgetown / Hastings / Davis / UCLA

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Re: BigLaw %

Postby c3pO4 » Sat Dec 31, 2011 7:39 pm

Anonymous User wrote:UVA / Georgetown / Hastings / Davis / UCLA


UVA - 30-40%

Georgetown - 30-40%

UCLA 20-30%

Hastings - 5-10%

Davis - 5-10%

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Re: BigLaw %

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Dec 31, 2011 7:50 pm

c3pO4 wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:UVA / Georgetown / Hastings / Davis / UCLA


UVA - 30-40%

Georgetown - 30-40%

UCLA 20-30%

Hastings - 5-10%

Davis - 5-10%


Thank you so much.

Source??

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Re: BigLaw %

Postby c3pO4 » Sat Dec 31, 2011 7:54 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
c3pO4 wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:UVA / Georgetown / Hastings / Davis / UCLA


UVA - 30-40%

Georgetown - 30-40%

UCLA 20-30%

Hastings - 5-10%

Davis - 5-10%


Thank you so much.

Source??


Me; I just told you...If you have a different understanding, then you don't need me right?

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Re: BigLaw %

Postby Tom Joad » Sat Dec 31, 2011 7:56 pm

Why is this anonymous and should it be in the Choosing a Law School forum?

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Re: BigLaw %

Postby lawyerwannabe » Sat Dec 31, 2011 8:00 pm

Seems a bit low for UVA.

The percentage is probably pretty close to 50%+.

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Re: BigLaw %

Postby Tom Joad » Sat Dec 31, 2011 8:01 pm

If you search for law school employment charts, they will give you a pretty accurate approximation.

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Re: BigLaw %

Postby c3pO4 » Sat Dec 31, 2011 8:02 pm

lawyerwannabe wrote:Seems a bit low for UVA.

The percentage is probably pretty close to 50%+.


Yea, I wasn't counting clerkship people who end up in biglaw, and also assumed a lot of UVA people go into bigfedgov.

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Re: BigLaw %

Postby RVP11 » Sat Dec 31, 2011 8:03 pm

If you define "BigLaw" as firms with 100+ attorneys, it's more like 60% at UVA.
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Re: BigLaw %

Postby RVP11 » Sat Dec 31, 2011 8:03 pm

c3pO4 wrote:
lawyerwannabe wrote:Seems a bit low for UVA.

The percentage is probably pretty close to 50%+.


Yea, I wasn't counting clerkship people who end up in biglaw, and also assumed a lot of UVA people go into bigfedgov.


BigFedGov straight from law school is a total myth ITE. More of a myth than MidLaw.

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Re: BigLaw %

Postby thesealocust » Sat Dec 31, 2011 8:07 pm

This is the best available data. Is is old, and unfortunately the market is not as strong now, but it will show you how all schools place relative to one another.

http://www.law.com/pdf/nlj/20080414empl ... trends.pdf

More recent (but still not very recent) and less complete data:

http://www.law.com/jsp/nlj/PubArticleNL ... slreturn=1

For comparison's sake, it's fair to approximate biglaw placement as NLJ 250 placement. It's not perfect, but it's good enough.

HTH

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Re: BigLaw %

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Dec 31, 2011 8:13 pm

thesealocust wrote:This is the best available data. Is is old, and unfortunately the market is not as strong now, but it will show you how all schools place relative to one another.

http://www.law.com/pdf/nlj/20080414empl ... trends.pdf

More recent (but still not very recent) and less complete data:

http://www.law.com/jsp/nlj/PubArticleNL ... slreturn=1

For comparison's sake, it's fair to approximate biglaw placement as NLJ 250 placement. It's not perfect, but it's good enough.

HTH


Thank you.

Surprising that only half of 2010 Harvard graduates ended up in NLJ250. Then again, Harvard had a huge graduating class that year!

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Re: BigLaw %

Postby thesealocust » Sat Dec 31, 2011 8:15 pm

A ton clerked and went to the federal government as well. Keep in mind this after graduation, so a substantially larger proportion of students got - or were at least eligible for - 2L summer associate positions, at least from the top schools.

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Re: BigLaw %

Postby 2LLLL » Sat Dec 31, 2011 8:30 pm

I don't purport to have exact numbers for any of these schools. But the idea that Gtown is equivalent to UVA makes me LOL. UVA has a lot more pull than Georgetown in DC, and a lot more pull nationwide.


My understanding is based solely on my anecdotal experiences going to another school in the greater DC market (which can be broadly defined to include numerous schools in DC, MD, and VA). Georgetown seems to be really struggling, as I know a lot of GULC students who don't have anything... GULC's problem is that they're a T14 (and not even really that any more) without a home market....

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Re: BigLaw %

Postby thesealocust » Sat Dec 31, 2011 8:38 pm

2LLLL wrote:I don't purport to have exact numbers for any of these schools. But the idea that Gtown is equivalent to UVA makes me LOL. UVA has a lot more pull than Georgetown in DC, and a lot more pull nationwide.


My understanding is based solely on my anecdotal experiences going to another school in the greater DC market (which can be broadly defined to include numerous schools in DC, MD, and VA). Georgetown seems to be really struggling, as I know a lot of GULC students who don't have anything... GULC's problem is that they're a T14 (and not even really that any more) without a home market....


Well.

Thank God you showed up with your anecdotes. This thread was getting awfully on track with all of the data and surveys and facts being posted.

And we can't have that now can we!

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Re: BigLaw %

Postby Flappy Scribbleneck » Sat Dec 31, 2011 9:10 pm

c3pO4 wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:UVA / Georgetown / Hastings / Davis / UCLA


UVA - 30-40%

Georgetown - 30-40%

UCLA 20-30%

Hastings - 5-10%

Davis - 5-10%


this link seems pretty relevant
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=150681

According to the linked charts for the class of 2009, NLJ250 employment (with Clerkship in parentheses)
Lots of assumptions, but oh well
UVA - 53% (11%)
GULC - 43% (5%)
UCLA - 35% (5%)
Davis - 17% (3%)
Hastings - 15% (1%)

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Re: BigLaw %

Postby c3pO4 » Sat Dec 31, 2011 9:14 pm

Flappy Scribbleneck wrote:
c3pO4 wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:UVA / Georgetown / Hastings / Davis / UCLA


UVA - 30-40%

Georgetown - 30-40%

UCLA 20-30%

Hastings - 5-10%

Davis - 5-10%


this link seems pretty relevant
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=150681

According to the linked charts for the class of 2009, NLJ250 employment (with Clerkship in parentheses)
Lots of assumptions, but oh well
UVA - 53% (11%)
GULC - 43% (5%)
UCLA - 35% (5%)
Davis - 17% (3%)
Hastings - 15% (1%)

so i was pretty close

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Re: BigLaw %

Postby Flappy Scribbleneck » Sat Dec 31, 2011 9:43 pm

c3pO4 wrote:
Flappy Scribbleneck wrote:
c3pO4 wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:UVA / Georgetown / Hastings / Davis / UCLA


UVA - 30-40%

Georgetown - 30-40%

UCLA 20-30%

Hastings - 5-10%

Davis - 5-10%


this link seems pretty relevant
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=150681

According to the linked charts for the class of 2009, NLJ250 employment (with Clerkship in parentheses)
Lots of assumptions, but oh well
UVA - 53% (11%)
GULC - 43% (5%)
UCLA - 35% (5%)
Davis - 17% (3%)
Hastings - 15% (1%)

so i was pretty close


That is humorous

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Re: BigLaw %

Postby Old Gregg » Sun Jan 01, 2012 11:22 am

Flappy Scribbleneck wrote:
c3pO4 wrote:
Flappy Scribbleneck wrote:
c3pO4 wrote:so i was pretty close


That is humorous


cr

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Re: BigLaw %

Postby vamedic03 » Sun Jan 01, 2012 12:19 pm

(1) this seems like a 0L question

(2) Rather than speculate, here are UVA's detailed employment stats for 2008-10: http://www.law.virginia.edu/html/career/stats.htm

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Re: BigLaw %

Postby TrialLawyer16 » Sun Jan 01, 2012 1:03 pm

2LLLL wrote:I don't purport to have exact numbers for any of these schools. But the idea that Gtown is equivalent to UVA makes me LOL. UVA has a lot more pull than Georgetown in DC, and a lot more pull nationwide.


My understanding is based solely on my anecdotal experiences going to another school in the greater DC market (which can be broadly defined to include numerous schools in DC, MD, and VA). Georgetown seems to be really struggling, as I know a lot of GULC students who don't have anything... GULC's problem is that they're a T14 (and not even really that any more) without a home market....


1) Exactly, you don't
2) I'd say maybe equivalent to slightly higher pull in DC, and more pull nationwide
3) You've got to realize that in a school that big, you are going to see "a lot" of students who don't have anything. What's more important in this case is the percentages, which someone provided in this thread
4) That's ridiculous. If GULC isn't a T14 then neither is Cornell. How can you say they don't have a home market when they're the best school in all of MD/DC/Northern VA (and all of VA excluding UVA). If you look at the attorney profiles firms in DC, you will notice just how much pull Gtown has in DC. It is pretty substantial.

I usually don't post in these kinds of threads, but you guys have to realize when you're giving advice to a 0L like the OP not to be overly pessimistic. He's probably taking your advice and running with it.
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Re: BigLaw %

Postby Cavalier » Sun Jan 01, 2012 2:04 pm

No one gets big law ITE. Go to med school.

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Re: BigLaw %

Postby thesealocust » Sun Jan 01, 2012 2:26 pm

Cavalier wrote:No one gets big law ITE. Go to med school.


TI, OC, TCR




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