hiima3L wrote:The poster I quoted wants to do only crim law (PD/DA). My advice was intended for that situation, not in general, but I can see how you misunderstood it. I agree that if your goal is to end up in private practice, especially biglaw, then GGU is a horrible decision across the board.
Okay, I guess I misunderstood. From my standpoint there's little distinction between the two because, in either case, if it "doesn't work out" you're looking at the other options available to you. So, at GGU if the PD/DA thing doesn't work out, you're facing an 18% employment rate, and a 0.5% biglaw rate, wheres the respective scores were 46% and 13.3% at UC Hastings last year. From a standpoint of "How screwed are you if things don't work out?" it seems like UC Hastings is the better choice even for PD/DA.
well.let's.see wrote:I am considering UCH. I am dismayed, to say the least, by the lack of financial assistance they seem to be offering. I haven't read a post of anyone receiving much more money than I did, but that really doesn't say much...
Still, like I said, I am considering UCH. I went to the reception/mixer and I attended a recent ASD, and these experiences have made me want to buy into what they were selling. I understand the poor numbers, but I also understand that those stats are reflective of too many students in a highly competitive market. On the other side, there are still many students graduating attaining solid employment, right? If you do well, you will end up on the positive side of the spectrum, right? There are good reasons for attending Hastings, right?
I'd like to respond to this. I think you raise a really good point, and it makes me really torn about ever recommending my school to others.
The big problem with Hastings is that it's a large school (though that has changed some, we don't know the impact yet), and it provides many of the best and worst outcomes.
Law School transparency, when analyzing the recent graduate employment data, emphasized two separate categories: first, several schools had legal employment rates (full-time-long-term-bar-passage-required) rates less than 50% (there were 66 schools in this category). Second, several schools had a biglaw employment rate larger than 10% (there were 51 schools in this category).
Hastings was seemingly alone in being a member of BOTH categories. On the one hand, an overall legal employment rate of 46% is terrible. But on the other hand, a biglaw employment rate of 13.3% is literally above the national average of 12.2%. A lot of students do have very bad employment outcomes, but a lot of students also have positive employment outcomes (a number that is literally above the national average).
Obviously, if you can go to Stanford or somewhere, go there, but compared to all other non-t14 schools, Hastings has a relatively favorable biglaw placement rate.
So, unfortunately, both narratives are true. Many Hastings students get solid employment, and many end up unemployed.
As for finances...I too was only offered $10k at first (That was the "basic grant" that most got my 1L year). But this went up by $3k during my first year (the financial aid office has a habit of increasing grants between first and second semester...don't know why). By the start of this year (I'm a 2L), my grant was up to $20k, and again I got several thousand more thrown at me at the end of fall semester. I can't explain this either, as my financial situation didn't change considerably (I went straight through from undergrad, so I had no job before 1L year...). The point is, for at least some of us, the amount of money initially offered by Hastings is not at all indicative of what your final costs will look like. Unfortunately, the financial aid office is so opaque that it's hard to know who will experience this...