Mick Haller wrote:
Plastir wrote:UC Hastings produces top lawyers, the most California SuperLawyers and California Judges, more than any school anywhere.
Grads used to get $160,000 jobs, but the SF Bay Area legal market is the most saturated in the US. Good jobs are available for UCH grads elsewhere in CA and US. 10% of the 2010 grads took overseas jobs.
Super Lawyers and Cal judges are mostly 45+ years old. The legal job market has undergone dramatic changes in the last 5-6 years. Before 2007, Hastings placed 1 in 3 students at midlaw and biglaw. Today it places 1 in 10 (or less). Think about that.
Many (if not most) of those getting overseas jobs are licensed Asian attorneys who need US credentials for some reason. They most likely had jobs lined up before beginning at Hastings.
I think there is a real problem of perspective here, and both of you need to recognize that, to a certain degree, the other one might be correct. It all has to do with the size of Hastings in relation to other Bay Area schools.
Looking at the numbers from LawSchoolTransparency:
In 2010, Hastings placed 72 grads in full-time long-term positions with firms of 101+ lawyers. By way of comparison, in 2010, Stanford placed 91 grads in full-time long-term positions with firms of 101+ lawyers.
The problem is that the Hastings class of 2010 was 420 students, while the Stanford class was only 174. As a result, when you look at placement percentages, Hastings looks terrible.
But that doesn't mean that 72 students didn't actually get biglaw jobs, mostly in the Bay Area. The reality is that they did, they have kept those jobs, and have helped to created a favorable impression of Hastings throughout the Bay Area.
During OCI I interviewed with several Hastings grads, many at firms that were V20 or better, and many that graduated in 2009 or 2010. When I went on callbacks, there were even more Hastings grads, again, many that were very young. Indeed, I can't recall a CB lunch I went to that DIDN'T have a Hastings grad who was also a first year associate.
When I look at my own friends at Hastings, many of us (I can literally think of 10 off hand) have 2L SA positions lined up with firms that are V50 or better.
But then there's the flipside.
I can also think of just as many people who have nothing lined up right now. If I look at the graduating statistics, I'm forced to conclude that very many graduates will in fact end up unemployed all together. There is no ignoring this point, it's just a fact of life at Hastings, and it really REALLY sucks.
But it doesn't mean that the ONLY way you can get into biglaw is to have graduated pre-2007 or had something lined up before going to Hastings in the first place. The fact remains that a large number of Hastings students will actually get biglaw jobs. However, at a school of 400 per class, a large number is not the same thing as a large percentage.
This is why there's such a conflict about the way Hastings looks in the Bay Area legal community. On the one hand, all of the biglaw firms in the Bay Area have young Hastings grads that work there and have been very successful. But on the other hand, everyone also knows Hastings students whose JDs never paid off. We all need to recognize that both views are 100% correct.