somewherewarm wrote:... if you were to start the application process all over again, as an 0L, would you still attend UMN, and what other schools would you consider outside of the T17?
Would I still attend UMN if I were to start the application process all over again? Ummmmmm... well, I'd have to say I'm sort of, kind of, maybe leaning towards nah
No, I would not choose to attend UMN. Other schools outside T17 that I would consider?
Well assuming I weren't just spamming schools with apps, and excluding anything above Vandy, my choices would probably be 1) USC, 2) Fordham/UC Davis, 4) GWU, 5) William and Mary. It'd be a tossup between UC Davis and Fordham. Those would be my applications, and my order of preference.
The disparity in money would have to be pretty extreme for me to deviate from that order of preference.
This is where Daniel loses a bit of credibility if anywhere in his poasts re: UMinn Law, which otherwise have been an informative and entertaining read.
Fact is, Fordham, UC Davis, GW, etc. -- but especially Fordham and Davis -- have been roundly criticized on TLS and elsewhere for falsely ensnaring unsuspecting students (like UMinn caught Daniel in its "golden" web) with wild employment claims, insanely high COA's, phony prestige that is in fact ultra regional, etc. Of course none of the criticisms have been as incisive and thorough as Daniel's depiction of UMinn has been. The reality though is that outside of the truly top schools, almost every law school has major inadequacies that have to do with schools jockeying to improve their US News rank. Thus, UMinn and such aspiring "tier 1" schools may ignore facilities, student needs (like actually emphasizing professional skills over esoteric academic training), realistic value, and all the other issues Daniel discussed specifically re: UMinn Law, as long as their numbers that count toward US News ranking stay relatively high.
My point is that schools outside the very top generally will end up disappointing students in a number of ways if they honestly assess their situation upon enrolling. The degree of disappointment will depend on specific expectations, experiences and personality, but it will be there. No one should lose sight of this when picking a school widely regarded as being outside of the very few truly top schools (say, top 3-6?), which can also disappoint, btw. And, for various reasons, the attacks Daniel's experienced here would've almost certainly come too if he'd written about another purportedly top school.
But I think Daniel has done a great job pointing out specific issues at UMinn, the institution he knows best. Btw, comparisons with his brother's UChi help put things into perspective maybe, but the grass is always greener on the other side and Chi is in a different league to begin with, so the comparisons are of limited value; these comparisons were not a major part of his poasts anyway.
To me, the most egregious point he raised has to to do with the admin's unresponsiveness and apparent incompetence, which directly tied into and was the cause of his fall exam debacle (debacle initially being forced to hand write exams for no good reason, not necessarily his grades). Such an asinine policy is hard to believe and is plainly unacceptable at a "top" law school. Any counter argument about the deadline serving as a valuable law school teaching point is just inadequate with the stakes being so high. The other points Daniel raised about UMinn pale in comparison because they arguably have to do with larger institutional policies -- the exam issue would've been so easy to solve.
Also, as he's stated on many occasions, Daniel is not really trying to argue here. He's giving a perspective and backing it up with what he presents as facts. Other UMinn Law students should just offer up their own facts or specific positive experiences and leave it at that. Let the facts/opinions speak for themselves, it's as simple as that. As Daniel's youtube video did about the laughable laptop policy & accompanying laptop.