Schools with a more competitive academic vibe

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Schools with a more competitive academic vibe

Postby addie1412 » Thu Dec 01, 2016 8:08 am

Which T14s feel the most academically rigorous/competitive? Put differently, which schools place more of an emphasis on learning for learning's sake as opposed to gaining practical skills and experience? Am I right in thinking UChicago?

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Re: Schools with a more competitive academic vibe

Postby Paul Campos » Thu Dec 01, 2016 9:48 am

Let's do this in reverse metaphysical order

Georgetown: Yeah it's "rigorous" -- for a diploma mill. This year's 25th LSAT is projected to be 153.

Cornell: Law school shares building space with a truck driver training facility. Very cold.

Northwestern: All they care about is work experience, aka VoTech U.

Duke: Finishing school for southern gentlemen.

Michigan: Have you seen their football stadium? Also, it's a state school.

Berkeley: LOL

Virginia: Basically a big-ass frat.

Penn: Full of sullen preps who didn't get into the real Ivy League. Also hasn't recovered from the Sandusky scandal.

NYU: Real estate hedge fund masquerading as a university. Good place to go if you're into helping poor people and are also eager to pay $4000 a month for a studio apartment,

Chicago: Everyone who has ever gone there or wanted to go there is absolutely certain that it is the most rigorous law school that there is or ever could be. This is called getting high on your own supply.

Columbia: Trade school in Harlem. Has never gotten over not being Harvard.

Stanford: No Stanford 2L or 3L has ever been observed in a law school classroom. They're all too busy thinkfluencing at SV internships.

Harvard: Harvard is Harvard. Harvard thinks "rigor" is for dweebs. Harvard is right.

Yale: Three-year bar review course.
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Re: Schools with a more competitive academic vibe

Postby Paul Campos » Thu Dec 01, 2016 9:49 am

Not intended as legal advice

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Re: Schools with a more competitive academic vibe

Postby addie1412 » Thu Dec 01, 2016 9:52 am

Paul Campos wrote:Let's do this in reverse metaphysical order

Georgetown: Yeah it's "rigorous" -- for a diploma mill. This year's 25th LSAT is projected to be 153.

Cornell: Law school shares building space with a truck driver training facility. Very cold.

Northwestern: All they care about is work experience, aka VoTech U.

Duke: Finishing school for southern gentlemen.

Michigan: Have you seen their football stadium? Also, it's a state school.

Berkeley: LOL

Virginia: Basically a big-ass frat.

Penn: Full of sullen preps who didn't get into the real Ivy League. Also hasn't recovered from the Sandusky scandal.

NYU: Real estate hedge fund masquerading as a university. Good place to go if you're into helping poor people and are also eager to pay $4000 a month for a studio apartment,

Columbia: Trade school in Harlem. Has never gotten over not being Harvard.

Stanford: No Stanford 2L or 3L has ever been observed in a law school classroom. They're all too busy thinkfluencing at SV internships.

Harvard: Harvard is Harvard. Harvard thinks "rigor" is for dweebs. Harvard is right.

Yale: Three-year bar review course.


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Re: Schools with a more competitive academic vibe

Postby MarkinKansasCity » Thu Dec 01, 2016 10:19 am

Paul Campos wrote:Let's do this in reverse metaphysical order

Georgetown: Yeah it's "rigorous" -- for a diploma mill. This year's 25th LSAT is projected to be 153.

Cornell: Law school shares building space with a truck driver training facility. Very cold.

Northwestern: All they care about is work experience, aka VoTech U.

Duke: Finishing school for southern gentlemen.

Michigan: Have you seen their football stadium? Also, it's a state school.

Berkeley: LOL

Virginia: Basically a big-ass frat.

Penn: Full of sullen preps who didn't get into the real Ivy League. Also hasn't recovered from the Sandusky scandal.

NYU: Real estate hedge fund masquerading as a university. Good place to go if you're into helping poor people and are also eager to pay $4000 a month for a studio apartment,

Columbia: Trade school in Harlem. Has never gotten over not being Harvard.

Stanford: No Stanford 2L or 3L has ever been observed in a law school classroom. They're all too busy thinkfluencing at SV internships.

Harvard: Harvard is Harvard. Harvard thinks "rigor" is for dweebs. Harvard is right.

Yale: Three-year bar review course.


Just beautiful man. I think I'm tearing up.

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Re: Schools with a more competitive academic vibe

Postby Justtrying2help » Thu Dec 01, 2016 10:40 am

Is that the real Paul Campos?

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Re: Schools with a more competitive academic vibe

Postby MarkinKansasCity » Thu Dec 01, 2016 10:58 am

Justtrying2help wrote:Is that the real Paul Campos?


Yes.

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Re: Schools with a more competitive academic vibe

Postby tomwatts » Thu Dec 01, 2016 11:07 am

addie1412 wrote:gaining practical skills and experience

Is there a law school in the country that emphasizes this? Nearly every law school emphasizes theory over practice, I thought.

But in terms of schools that don't even teach law, I think Yale Law is pretty well-known for not teaching law.
Paul Campos wrote:Penn: ... Also hasn't recovered from the Sandusky scandal.

Um, Penn State is not Penn.

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Re: Schools with a more competitive academic vibe

Postby sublime » Thu Dec 01, 2016 11:12 am

Holy shit. :lol:

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Re: Schools with a more competitive academic vibe

Postby First Offense » Thu Dec 01, 2016 11:41 am

Paul Campos wrote:Let's do this in reverse metaphysical order

Georgetown: Yeah it's "rigorous" -- for a diploma mill. This year's 25th LSAT is projected to be 153.

Cornell: Law school shares building space with a truck driver training facility. Very cold.

Northwestern: All they care about is work experience, aka VoTech U.

Duke: Finishing school for southern gentlemen.

Michigan: Have you seen their football stadium? Also, it's a state school.

Berkeley: LOL

Virginia: Basically a big-ass frat.

Penn: Full of sullen preps who didn't get into the real Ivy League. Also hasn't recovered from the Sandusky scandal.

NYU: Real estate hedge fund masquerading as a university. Good place to go if you're into helping poor people and are also eager to pay $4000 a month for a studio apartment,

Columbia: Trade school in Harlem. Has never gotten over not being Harvard.

Stanford: No Stanford 2L or 3L has ever been observed in a law school classroom. They're all too busy thinkfluencing at SV internships.

Harvard: Harvard is Harvard. Harvard thinks "rigor" is for dweebs. Harvard is right.

Yale: Three-year bar review course.

Dead.

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Re: Schools with a more competitive academic vibe

Postby texteach » Mon Dec 05, 2016 12:54 am

Paul Campos wrote:Let's do this in reverse metaphysical order

Georgetown: Yeah it's "rigorous" -- for a diploma mill. This year's 25th LSAT is projected to be 153.

Cornell: Law school shares building space with a truck driver training facility. Very cold.

Northwestern: All they care about is work experience, aka VoTech U.

Duke: Finishing school for southern gentlemen.

Michigan: Have you seen their football stadium? Also, it's a state school.

Berkeley: LOL

Virginia: Basically a big-ass frat.

Penn: Full of sullen preps who didn't get into the real Ivy League. Also hasn't recovered from the Sandusky scandal.

NYU: Real estate hedge fund masquerading as a university. Good place to go if you're into helping poor people and are also eager to pay $4000 a month for a studio apartment,

Chicago: Everyone who has ever gone there or wanted to go there is absolutely certain that it is the most rigorous law school that there is or ever could be. This is called getting high on your own supply.

Columbia: Trade school in Harlem. Has never gotten over not being Harvard.

Stanford: No Stanford 2L or 3L has ever been observed in a law school classroom. They're all too busy thinkfluencing at SV internships.

Harvard: Harvard is Harvard. Harvard thinks "rigor" is for dweebs. Harvard is right.

Yale: Three-year bar review course.


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Re: Schools with a more competitive academic vibe

Postby BuddyHoller » Mon Dec 05, 2016 1:44 am

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Re: Schools with a more competitive academic vibe

Postby lymenheimer » Mon Dec 05, 2016 8:19 am

tomwatts wrote:
addie1412 wrote:gaining practical skills and experience

Is there a law school in the country that emphasizes this? Nearly every law school emphasizes theory over practice, I thought.

Baylor (3L trial courses). More lower tier schools. Because that's the only way their students can get jobs.

Paul Campos wrote:Penn: ... Also hasn't recovered from the Sandusky scandal.

Um, Penn State is not Penn.

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Re: Schools with a more competitive academic vibe

Postby KissMyAxe » Mon Dec 05, 2016 9:09 am

tomwatts wrote:
addie1412 wrote:gaining practical skills and experience

Is there a law school in the country that emphasizes this? Nearly every law school emphasizes theory over practice, I thought.

But in terms of schools that don't even teach law, I think Yale Law is pretty well-known for not teaching law.
Paul Campos wrote:Penn: ... Also hasn't recovered from the Sandusky scandal.

Um, Penn State is not Penn.


First of all, they're the same school. Sucks they got left out of the playoffs.

Some schools do teach more than theory. One great example of this would be Baylor, who probably has the best training for trial attorneys available. It's unfortunate that the schools that do teach practice tend not to get their students legal employment.

As for YLS, it's basically a choose your own adventure book. You can take all your classes in theory and classes at other schools', or you can take 5 black letter classes every semester. You could also take 3 clinics if you want practical experience. First semester is a roll of the dice, one small group has 4 professors who all teach heavy doctrine. Mine has 4 who teach no doctrine and all theory.

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Re: Schools with a more competitive academic vibe

Postby First Offense » Mon Dec 05, 2016 10:42 am

Also I will say that at least at my law school (UVA) they offered a decent array of practical classes and opportunities - whether you wanted to take them or not was up to you. One semester I took 3 "practical" classes and one Leslie class + a short course on some BS topic.

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Re: Schools with a more competitive academic vibe

Postby calpolisci2016 » Tue Dec 06, 2016 1:47 pm

How does someone answer this question? You only ever attend one school, so how can someone make a reasonable comparison of all schools let alone 2 or 3? Even transfers have a limited view since they were just a 1L at one place.




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