Are 1Ls at all T-50, T-25 or even T-14 schools happy with each class and each Prof from their 1L year? Aren't complaints against LW programs pretty universal across all law schools? Just search for "legal writing" here on TLS.
I have given dozens of reasons why it's uniquely
bad here. Learn to scroll up.
Look, I can see already that you're just going to use the same lame "strategies" that the 0L used to "defend" the place. You're either going to use one of two tactics: (1) say, "it's not that bad," which merely acknowledges the fact that the problem exists and merely disputes how much importance should be attributed to it (which you shouldn't be doing for other people anyway, since this is purely subjective); or else (2) you're going to say, "all schools have this problem," attempting to "dilute the poison." The thing is that I've given a lot of really specific reasons why UMN is particularly bad relative to other schools
, so this "strategy" won't work.
For every dark picture of UMN chosen to be posted above, a bright picture can be posted.
What is your point? Of course
you can take photos that hide the disrepair and deterioration of that decrepit building. Who's disputing that you could point the camera away from the bare electrical wires dangling from the ceiling? Who's disputing that you could crop out the peeling paint and furniture-chained-to-the-floor? If you wanted to, you could make
anything look pretty using photographic tricks.
Indeed, the school's website is a veritable photographer's handbook on trompe l'oeil with its silhouetted corridors and soft focus glamor shots. The whole point
of the photos that I took and posted
was that they showed what the school was really
like. Now, unless you're suggesting that I photoshopped them, I don't see what your point is.
I met and spoke to more than 20 prospective students during one of the preview weekends. That was a bunch of applicants who had multiple offers, were shopping around, and had every reason to state any perceived deficiency in the facilities. Why did most of those students say that all law schools they had seen were more or less the same?
Because it's rude to tell someone to his face that his school looks more ghetto than a community college? Especially when you don't plan on going there? That might be why. And also because 20 is not a particularly large sample set?
With reference to ExamSoft, how many others complained of a similar problem? How come none of the dozens of 2Ls and 3Ls we have interacted with never said anything about a potential problem with ExamSoft? If there were more than a few, why didn't they talk as a group to the Dean about it to get something done? Why no mass protests about it?
I have. I know several others have. What's the point of trying to group up en masse
when the school has repeatedly demonstrated an inability or unwillingness to address student concerns? It's clear from the outset that we wouldn't be able to organize anything near the scale of the P&P kerfuffle. It took threats of walk-outs, the support of the teachers actually teaching the course, and a petition with more than 90% of the 1L class before the retarded chimpanzees in the administration thought that maybe, possibly, potentially, they should consider the option of perhaps doing something about it. There's no way we'd be able to assemble that level of support. And the thing is that the only people that feel strongly about this are people who've already been screwed by it. Why would you stick your neck out if you've managed to dodge bullets so far?
This is really just an extremely cheap and unfairly framed argument, which is clearly made in a blind attempt to show "school pride."
The job market is exactly the same as that for any other school with a similar rank. Can you point to a single T25 school where 3Ls are bubbling with joy about the job market? I have met people from Illinois, Indiana-Bloomington and WUSTL who were extremely disappointed with the job situation. None of us expected UMN to provide stellar biglaw job options. Right from law preview weekend and orientation, the administration has made it clear that we are responsible for finding jobs and not the career services office. Why blame the school for the economy, when it is amply clear that the overall legal market has bottomed out?
Here you go again. You're trying to cover up UMN's deficits by kicking dirt around and saying other schools suffer from bad employment prospects, too. Sure, the point is that even though the entire
legal employment market is depressed, UMN is doing particularly
poorly in placing. There's been abundant discussion of this above. Yeah, no one is bubbling with joy about the job market anywhere, but that doesn't mean that there aren't relative differences between the schools. Just because students at Yale are feeling the effects of the economy and students at Yeshiva are feeling the effects of the economy, you cannot thereby infer that there's no difference between Yale and Yeshiva. For crying out loud, it's obvious that UMN is doing worse than other schools similarly ranked. A 3.9 GPA with LR didn't get a single call back after OCI. How bad does it need to get before we get to say it's "bad"?
The one thing that OP got totally wrong is his attitude. Yeah, Minnesota is a giant pile of dog shit. I don't personally know anyone here who would deny it, except maybe the employees. But how do you think you're going to survive all the way to graduation if you let it in? If you don't mind a little friendly advice, you need to learn to shut it out. You have to learn to pretend it's all good, or you'll kill yourself.
Yeah, well, gotta put on a different face/attitude when I'm actually there. But it would be pretty unfair to all the people, who are on this site, who are considering applying to UMN, to allow self-deception and psychotic-optimism sway my honest reactions to the place. I understand the impulse that a lot of people have to only say positive things, but that's really a disservice to other people.
I get your point. If you're a bug and you fall into a spider's web, then maybe you tell yourself it's not so bad, because what're you gonna do? You're stuck where you are, and that's that. But when that causes you to lure other bugs over, claiming that "it's not that bad," and "other places aren't any worse," which potentially causes them to get ensnared in the web as well, rather than warning them to steer clear, then you've really only managed to take other people down with you, which is not such a cool way of dealing with your problems. You'll forgive the bug metaphor.
As I've said a million times, I wish
someone told me all this stuff about UMN before I accepted. I'd like to think I'd have made a different decision if I had all the information, and frankly, negative information
is often the most useful sort of information to have when making decisions like this. So, I take your point, but I think that this just isn't the forum for the sort of self-delusion you're advocating. The point of posting here is to give the "real dirt" to prospective applicants -- at least, my version of it. Others are, of course, entitled to disagree.