University of Minnesota 2L Taking Questions...

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Nova
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Re: University of Minnesota 2L Taking Questions...

Postby Nova » Tue Feb 18, 2014 2:49 pm

skrzypce wrote:I heard from a reliable source that the school will admit only 180 students to the Class of 2017. I believe their intention is to raise the LSAT profile.

Im sure what you mean is that their goal will be to have about 180 matriculate. theyll admit a lot more.

which is a good thing. Better profile. Less competition in the market.

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Re: University of Minnesota 2L Taking Questions...

Postby minnbills » Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:33 pm

Nova wrote:
skrzypce wrote:I heard from a reliable source that the school will admit only 180 students to the Class of 2017. I believe their intention is to raise the LSAT profile.

Im sure what you mean is that their goal will be to have about 180 matriculate. theyll admit a lot more.

which is a good thing. Better profile. Less competition in the market.


I heard it was the opposite- I hope skrz is right though.

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Re: University of Minnesota 2L Taking Questions...

Postby kd5 » Tue Feb 18, 2014 7:07 pm

camelthing wrote:I would still like to know a few things about UMN, such as the relative cost and convenience of housing, the relative and raw numbers of adjuncts teaching LW, the quality of the adjuncts teaching LW, whether the median LSAT is really dropping to 164 for the incoming class, whether the laptop has improved at all in recent years, and whether the vindictiveness that he attributed the administration actually exists.

Nova already answered these, but I'll throw in my perspective on a few points:

If you're willing to live with roommates, housing costs aren't bad. The real perk is that the neighborhoods where lots of law students live (Uptown, Lyn-Lake, Warehouse) are really great - fantastic coffee places, tons of bars, a good social scene, nice parks and lakes, good biking options, etc. Minneapolis is a baller place to live. Public transit mostly works well for getting downtown or to campus quickly, so no need for a car.

I haven't heard many complaints (and none as bad as Daniel's) re the quality of adjuncts generally. My LW adjunct works at Thompson Reuters and was terrific, my student instructor was very helpful and now works at Dorsey. My Practice & Professionalism (now called Law in Practice) adjunct was a partner at one of the big local firms (101+). I had both these adjuncts serve as references for me, and I've stayed in touch with them.

I also want to add another point about adjuncts here: Aside from the two adjuncts you'll have (both for P/F/H classes) in 1L, before you choose a class, you can look up the prof who teaches it. You can find out in less than a minute if it's an adjunct, where they work, what they do, etc. and if you have doubts about them, you can email your 2L and 3L friends to see who's had that adjunct and how they liked the class. If they're new, maybe don't take that risk if you don't feel good about it.

It would be incredibly easy to only take 2L and 3L classes with faculty, if you're afraid of adjuncts. Faculty teach seminars too, and they teach almost every large class. We have a good faculty, and signing up for classes taught by adjuncts is strictly optional in 2L and 3L. That said, I have learned more from the adjuncts here than I have from the faculty, and that's because we have some great adjuncts who know what it's like practicing law in 2014.

Adjuncts aren't expected to slave over publications, and maybe as a result many of them are better able to make time for students. Some adjuncts probably do suck, but (a) it's easy to find out whether that's true of any particular adjunct, and (b) based on my experiences and what I've heard, it's probably not a huge fraction of them. The law school should absolutely pay them more and treat them better, but that's a separate issue.

The laptop policy is gone (my year, class of 2014, is the last class that had to buy them).

The administration is much as Nova describes it. If you have any problems or specific needs, be clear about it early on, document everything, and don't assume they'll automatically be sympathetic. I've had two issues crop up that I've brought to them, and I resolved both favorably. It might be smart to find a sympathetic faculty member to confide in first just so you can use the line "Professor SuperPopularWithClout advised me to come to you with this issue."

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Re: University of Minnesota 2L Taking Questions...

Postby Moneytrees » Thu Mar 12, 2015 4:53 pm

The most shocking thing about this thread was the feeble reaction of Minnesota law students to Daniel's incendiary criticisms. All they could muster was essentially "Eh, he's probably exaggerating. It's not so bad, just keep your expectations low".

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Re: University of Minnesota 2L Taking Questions...

Postby prosebeforehoes » Mon Oct 10, 2016 8:33 pm

shoeshine wrote:I just read your treatise above.

You sound fun. I think I just found the root of your legal writing problem. Are you always that bombastic?

I realize UMN might not be an awesome school, but you sound like the type of person I am really glad didn't come to my school. Bad mouthing your school anonymously about completely trivial matters is extremely BETA.

Edit:
Figured out why you are angry. viewtopic.php?f=7&t=162896

2.7 GPA first semester = You mad.


Dude, why would you feel like being so inconsiderate, much less act on it?

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Re: University of Minnesota 2L Taking Questions...

Postby Giro423 » Tue Dec 06, 2016 9:29 pm

This has been a very hilarious and wild post to read through. As a recently admitted student, do any current UMN students have anything else they can add?

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Re: University of Minnesota 2L Taking Questions...

Postby anyperson » Thu Apr 13, 2017 1:34 am

Giro423 wrote:This has been a very hilarious and wild post to read through. As a recently admitted student, do any current UMN students have anything else they can add?


If you're still around and looking for input - I'm a current 2L and can answer any questions.

I remember reading through all of these posts two years ago when considering schools. I don't plan to do so again just to address specifics. I do, however, recall a few things that may be helpful. I remember that one of the posters here initially made me think twice--strongly--about UMN. I remember that some people offered countervailing accounts of the school, but not nearly as many folks as I would have expected. I found that worrisome. I also remember, however, that the more posts I read, for UMN and other schools, the more I realized how arbitrary it would be for one voice (or even a few, considering the slim % of admittees/students who engage on TLS) to form a substantial basis for a pretty big personal decision.

At the end of the day, I chose UMN, and I'm glad I did. The building isn't the best, and sometimes Minneapolis feels far away from [insert thing here], but the student community is wonderful, the faculty is top notch and cares incredibly about students, the Twin Cities are really cool and super livable, and I've had classmates go far and wide over the summer and post-graduation if that's what they wanted. Oh, and there tend to be a lot of very nice flight deals to/from Mpls and cities across the US, in case you have family/friends/partners to visit during the semester, FWIW.

I'm sure it's pretty late in the admissions cycle now, but if anyone is still on the fence, ask away.

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Re: University of Minnesota 2L Taking Questions...

Postby Fiddlesticks » Sun May 21, 2017 2:10 pm

Can anyone PM me details about Kathryn Sedo? I am considering taking her next semester at UMich. Thanks!

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Re: University of Minnesota 2L Taking Questions...

Postby Jchance » Sun May 21, 2017 2:57 pm

Anyone cares to comment on the recent interest of national firms in the Minneapolis market via opening their satellite offices there (e.g., Jones Day, Hogan Lovells, and to a lesser extent, the merger of Fox Rothschild). Do these actions subsequently raise the status of UMN as a school, assuming UMN can successfully place their grads at those national firms?




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