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DoubleChecks wrote:

jjjjjjjj wrote:chances grades come before Wednesday?

lol no way, wed is already way earlier than id hoped. that being said, i dont mind you checking incessantly from here on out and letting us no if it does come in early

haus wrote:

DoubleChecks wrote:

jjjjjjjj wrote:chances grades come before Wednesday?

lol no way, wed is already way earlier than id hoped. that being said, i dont mind you checking incessantly from here on out and letting us no if it does come in early

I will say yes, grades will be in before Wednesday, but I will not commit to which Wednesday.

DoubleChecks wrote:

haus wrote:

DoubleChecks wrote:

jjjjjjjj wrote:chances grades come before Wednesday?

lol no way, wed is already way earlier than id hoped. that being said, i dont mind you checking incessantly from here on out and letting us no if it does come in early

I will say yes, grades will be in before Wednesday, but I will not commit to which Wednesday.

lol you do know that they're due this wednesday right?

DoubleChecks wrote:

haus wrote:

DoubleChecks wrote:

jjjjjjjj wrote:chances grades come before Wednesday?

lol no way, wed is already way earlier than id hoped. that being said, i dont mind you checking incessantly from here on out and letting us no if it does come in early

I will say yes, grades will be in before Wednesday, but I will not commit to which Wednesday.

lol you do know that they're due this wednesday right?

adameus wrote: 1L grades will be out tomorrow? Are you serious?

APimpNamedSlickback wrote:the suspense is killing me. i am leaving work at 5:05 and walking directly to happy hour. i plan on taking 5 shots for every pass i get.

DoubleChecks wrote:

APimpNamedSlickback wrote:the suspense is killing me. i am leaving work at 5:05 and walking directly to happy hour. i plan on taking 5 shots for every pass i get.

but 10 for every H, amirite?

DoubleChecks wrote:

adameus wrote: 1L grades will be out tomorrow? Are you serious?

haha imagine if you didnt read this thread till 5 pm tomorrow. and yeah, HLS sent us an email saying grades due to be posted tomorrow at 5 (which means i should be lining up on myplan by 4:30 )

saito816 wrote:So what are the workout facilities like? Are they at least decent, and is there a separate graduate one or just one combined with the undergrad?

adameus wrote:

lawschoolconflicted wrote:Thanks for taking questions! Could you talk about the gym at Harvard and whether students find time to work out (I know this is important for me). Also, is it shared with the undergrad, is it crowded, are there any cool classes offered, is it included in tuition? Thanks again!

There is a gym right on the law school campus (Hemenway Gym). It is however open to the whole school, so there are a good # of undergrads and other grad school students there. It can be somewhat crowded at times, but there are like 4 or 5 other gyms around campus, so I never found it unbearable.

Yes the gym is included in tuition. The classes are also included in tuition. Hemenway has a good selection of daily classes including spinning, yoga, step classes, zumba, etc. I've been to the spin classes a few times and there are always bikes open, however I've also found them kind of easy compared with spinning classes I've done elsewhere. The MAC gym also has a good selection of daily classes and is less than a 10 minute walk from the law school campus.

Here is a link to the Spring/summer schedule of classes at Hemenway. (note: this is reduced from the normal # of classes during the school year).
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saito816 wrote:So what are the workout facilities like? Are they at least decent, and is there a separate graduate one or just one combined with the undergrad?

WhatWouldHolmesDo? wrote:

Knock wrote:How common are LPs and how damaging are they at OCI?

The short answer is really uncommon, but quite damaging.

Though I believe the official curve recommends that the bottom 10% of the class receives LPs, it seems that professors are actually discouraged from giving them. How the administration views LPs is a bit hidden from us, but most professors understand them to be discretionary. When asked, every professor I had this year basically said something along the lines of "to get an LP, you have to earn it." In other words, unless you really blow it (i.e. not study, not complete the test, never go to class), you will pass. That seems to be most professors' approach, though there may be a few outliers who more strictly conform to the curve or believe in giving LPs on principle. One of my professors said he "didn't like" to give them. Others just said not to worry about it. What that translates to is probably 1-2 LPs handed out in most large classes...they'd be even more rare in seminars.

One of the reasons professors are so reluctant to dole out LPs - and this gets to the second part of your question - is because they really do screw you over. I haven't gone through EIP (the early interview program in August) but what I've picked up from others makes it sound like an LP is a really serious blot on your resume that is difficult to overcome. My sense is that it will likely kill your chances at a top-tier firm and generally make the job search significantly tougher. It's a red flag, plain and simple. That said, as long as you have some other stuff going for you or an otherwise decent transcript, you'd almost certainly still be able to get a BigLaw job. And if your transcript is otherwise filled with H's, it would do significantly less harm. All of that assumes one LP. If someone had multiple LPs. I'd imagine it would be basically impossible to get a BigLaw job unless you're a fantastic interview or are otherwise extremely impressive.

But yeah, as noted above, it's really not a serious concern, even for classes you might struggle in. It's scary first semester when you haven't taken any law school exams yet, but then you realize it's not much to worry about it.

hiyahh1 wrote:

WhatWouldHolmesDo? wrote:

Knock wrote:How common are LPs and how damaging are they at OCI?

The short answer is really uncommon, but quite damaging.

Though I believe the official curve recommends that the bottom 10% of the class receives LPs, it seems that professors are actually discouraged from giving them. How the administration views LPs is a bit hidden from us, but most professors understand them to be discretionary. When asked, every professor I had this year basically said something along the lines of "to get an LP, you have to earn it." In other words, unless you really blow it (i.e. not study, not complete the test, never go to class), you will pass. That seems to be most professors' approach, though there may be a few outliers who more strictly conform to the curve or believe in giving LPs on principle. One of my professors said he "didn't like" to give them. Others just said not to worry about it. What that translates to is probably 1-2 LPs handed out in most large classes...they'd be even more rare in seminars.

One of the reasons professors are so reluctant to dole out LPs - and this gets to the second part of your question - is because they really do screw you over. I haven't gone through EIP (the early interview program in August) but what I've picked up from others makes it sound like an LP is a really serious blot on your resume that is difficult to overcome. My sense is that it will likely kill your chances at a top-tier firm and generally make the job search significantly tougher. It's a red flag, plain and simple. That said, as long as you have some other stuff going for you or an otherwise decent transcript, you'd almost certainly still be able to get a BigLaw job. And if your transcript is otherwise filled with H's, it would do significantly less harm. All of that assumes one LP. If someone had multiple LPs. I'd imagine it would be basically impossible to get a BigLaw job unless you're a fantastic interview or are otherwise extremely impressive.

But yeah, as noted above, it's really not a serious concern, even for classes you might struggle in. It's scary first semester when you haven't taken any law school exams yet, but then you realize it's not much to worry about it.

This is such an irresponsible post (based, btw, exclusively on rumors it appears) that it makes me sick. I got 1 LP first semester and almost dropped out because of stupid shit like this. Ended up sticking with it, got only 1 H second semester and at EIP ended up w/ 11 callbacks at BigLaw firms that pay scale including 1 V10, 3 V20, 2 V30, and a lit boutique. Ended up going V20.

We go to Harvard, we are all in the running for virtually every firm with a medium to large summer class size. Is an LP a red flag? Sure. But so is being socially awkward or not knowing about the firm or arriving two minutes late or not having any work experience before law school, or applying to a city you've never lived in that's not NYC. And if you look at the statistics OCS provides, a lot of V10 firms are calling back 65-80% of HLS students, and I guarantee more than one in five HLS students has ONE of those other red flags. I had one interviewer at a V40 firm notice my LP and literally ask me my LSAT score to prove that I was smart and when I told him, he gave me an in room CB. And I'm not a spectacular interviewer, I just didn't let posts like this affect my confidence or bid strategy.

Pneumonia wrote:

hiyahh1 wrote:

WhatWouldHolmesDo? wrote:

Knock wrote:How common are LPs and how damaging are they at OCI?

The short answer is really uncommon, but quite damaging.

Though I believe the official curve recommends that the bottom 10% of the class receives LPs, it seems that professors are actually discouraged from giving them. How the administration views LPs is a bit hidden from us, but most professors understand them to be discretionary. When asked, every professor I had this year basically said something along the lines of "to get an LP, you have to earn it." In other words, unless you really blow it (i.e. not study, not complete the test, never go to class), you will pass. That seems to be most professors' approach, though there may be a few outliers who more strictly conform to the curve or believe in giving LPs on principle. One of my professors said he "didn't like" to give them. Others just said not to worry about it. What that translates to is probably 1-2 LPs handed out in most large classes...they'd be even more rare in seminars.

One of the reasons professors are so reluctant to dole out LPs - and this gets to the second part of your question - is because they really do screw you over. I haven't gone through EIP (the early interview program in August) but what I've picked up from others makes it sound like an LP is a really serious blot on your resume that is difficult to overcome. My sense is that it will likely kill your chances at a top-tier firm and generally make the job search significantly tougher. It's a red flag, plain and simple. That said, as long as you have some other stuff going for you or an otherwise decent transcript, you'd almost certainly still be able to get a BigLaw job. And if your transcript is otherwise filled with H's, it would do significantly less harm. All of that assumes one LP. If someone had multiple LPs. I'd imagine it would be basically impossible to get a BigLaw job unless you're a fantastic interview or are otherwise extremely impressive.

But yeah, as noted above, it's really not a serious concern, even for classes you might struggle in. It's scary first semester when you haven't taken any law school exams yet, but then you realize it's not much to worry about it.

This is such an irresponsible post (based, btw, exclusively on rumors it appears) that it makes me sick. I got 1 LP first semester and almost dropped out because of stupid shit like this. Ended up sticking with it, got only 1 H second semester and at EIP ended up w/ 11 callbacks at BigLaw firms that pay scale including 1 V10, 3 V20, 2 V30, and a lit boutique. Ended up going V20.

We go to Harvard, we are all in the running for virtually every firm with a medium to large summer class size. Is an LP a red flag? Sure. But so is being socially awkward or not knowing about the firm or arriving two minutes late or not having any work experience before law school, or applying to a city you've never lived in that's not NYC. And if you look at the statistics OCS provides, a lot of V10 firms are calling back 65-80% of HLS students, and I guarantee more than one in five HLS students has ONE of those other red flags. I had one interviewer at a V40 firm notice my LP and literally ask me my LSAT score to prove that I was smart and when I told him, he gave me an in room CB. And I'm not a spectacular interviewer, I just didn't let posts like this affect my confidence or bid strategy.

Note that the post you're replying to is from 2011. You're right that it doesn't accord with the way LPs work now.

hiyahh1 wrote: Fair enough. I am just salty b/c it's one of the top results when you google "hls lp biglaw" and as a result was among the data points that made me consider dropping out.

hiyahh1 wrote:

WhatWouldHolmesDo? wrote:

Knock wrote:How common are LPs and how damaging are they at OCI?

The short answer is really uncommon, but quite damaging.

Though I believe the official curve recommends that the bottom 10% of the class receives LPs, it seems that professors are actually discouraged from giving them. How the administration views LPs is a bit hidden from us, but most professors understand them to be discretionary. When asked, every professor I had this year basically said something along the lines of "to get an LP, you have to earn it." In other words, unless you really blow it (i.e. not study, not complete the test, never go to class), you will pass. That seems to be most professors' approach, though there may be a few outliers who more strictly conform to the curve or believe in giving LPs on principle. One of my professors said he "didn't like" to give them. Others just said not to worry about it. What that translates to is probably 1-2 LPs handed out in most large classes...they'd be even more rare in seminars.

One of the reasons professors are so reluctant to dole out LPs - and this gets to the second part of your question - is because they really do screw you over. I haven't gone through EIP (the early interview program in August) but what I've picked up from others makes it sound like an LP is a really serious blot on your resume that is difficult to overcome. My sense is that it will likely kill your chances at a top-tier firm and generally make the job search significantly tougher. It's a red flag, plain and simple. That said, as long as you have some other stuff going for you or an otherwise decent transcript, you'd almost certainly still be able to get a BigLaw job. And if your transcript is otherwise filled with H's, it would do significantly less harm. All of that assumes one LP. If someone had multiple LPs. I'd imagine it would be basically impossible to get a BigLaw job unless you're a fantastic interview or are otherwise extremely impressive.

But yeah, as noted above, it's really not a serious concern, even for classes you might struggle in. It's scary first semester when you haven't taken any law school exams yet, but then you realize it's not much to worry about it.

This is such an irresponsible post (based, btw, exclusively on rumors it appears) that it makes me sick. I got 1 LP first semester and almost dropped out because of stupid shit like this. Ended up sticking with it, got only 1 H second semester and at EIP ended up w/ 11 callbacks at BigLaw firms that pay scale including 1 V10, 3 V20, 2 V30, and a lit boutique. Ended up going V20.

We go to Harvard, we are all in the running for virtually every firm with a medium to large summer class size. Is an LP a red flag? Sure. But so is being socially awkward or not knowing about the firm or arriving two minutes late or not having any work experience before law school, or applying to a city you've never lived in that's not NYC. And if you look at the statistics OCS provides, a lot of V10 firms are calling back 65-80% of HLS students, and I guarantee more than one in five HLS students has ONE of those other red flags. I had one interviewer at a V40 firm notice my LP and literally ask me my LSAT score to prove that I was smart and when I told him, he gave me an in room CB. And I'm not a spectacular interviewer, I just didn't let posts like this affect my confidence or bid strategy.