OP, I have a question for you. I am a 3L going to a prestigious NYC firm next year. I have no ties to the midwest. I am curious about the opportunities to lateral into MSP after a few years. Would it be completely impossible without ties? Would it depend on what I did at my firm? I'm in the top third at CLS, HYP undergrad if that would matter for lateraling. I do not want to live in the NYC area forever; it is too expensive, and dealing with schooling for kids is a nightmare. I am not sold on MSP specifically, but I'd like your advice on how to position myself so I can make a move from NYC to a market like MSP. Thanks!
rickgrimes69 wrote:Not saying I don't believe you, but that experience is extremely atypical. I'm inclined to believe they got lucky, or (more likely) they knew someone high up in the firm. I've personally spoken to hiring partners at D&W, Frederickson, and Lindquist. None of them said they were willing to dip below top third for non-HYS T14 grads. Dorsey in particular recommended top 10%. I can see someone with serious ties warranting some wiggle room w/r/t GPA, but I don't believe for one second that below median grads are a common fixture in MN biglaw.
This statement reminds me of when CLS gives 1Ls a table of the firms coming to OCI and there is a requirements column where each firm can list what it expects, and you see that, like, Loewenstein Sandler says it will only take top 10% + LR, which you know cannot be true. Firms often say they have specific requirements and then their hiring does not comport with that. I actually just went to the Dorsey website for some anecdotal evidence, but you can't search by school, which is annoying. The T10 students were a mix of impressive academic credentials (eg, UChi top 10% + LR) and no academic credentials (eg, graduated UMich, nothing else). Interestingly I didn't see any non-T10 students, but I only looked at five profiles or so. Clearly, though, as someone else pointed out, they don't have a hard 10% cutoff.
I think the below median T14 students who are really SOL are the ones who have no ties to smaller markets. Firms in my hometown told me they liked to get students from the T10 to mix it up - they don't want a whole class of students from the state university even though it is a good school, comparable to UMinn. I specifically asked one person about grades coming from the T10, and she said they won't hire people with truly bottom of the barrel grades, which she defined as below a 3.0, but if you're above that, from the T10, and can convincingly explain why you want to be there, they will consider you.