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Re: Northwestern 1L/2L/3L/Grads Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Man from Nantucket » Mon Aug 25, 2014 12:51 am

lhanvt13 wrote:Heard kellogg co-hosted courses are on a C curve? Any truth to this?


Anyone know if this is true?

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Re: Northwestern 1L/2L/3L/Grads Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Holly Golightly » Mon Aug 25, 2014 11:20 am

wojo98 wrote:Serious question: is any secondary journal worth the effort? Figurative cost (time commitment, sweat equity, etc.) seems to outweigh the benefit (writing/blue booking improvements).

As part of the AJD/transfer wave of write-ons, results won't impact OCI, so the exercise seems even more fruitless.

If you have an interest in clerking or academia, do it. If not, meh. But a lot of the secondary journals also aren't that much work outside of writing a comment.

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Re: Northwestern 1L/2L/3L/Grads Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Holly Golightly » Mon Aug 25, 2014 11:21 am

Man from Nantucket wrote:
lhanvt13 wrote:Heard kellogg co-hosted courses are on a C curve? Any truth to this?


Anyone know if this is true?

Pretty sure this was addressed a few pages ago.

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Re: Northwestern 1L/2L/3L/Grads Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby splitsplat » Mon Aug 25, 2014 12:30 pm

wojo98 wrote:Serious question: is any secondary journal worth the effort? Figurative cost (time commitment, sweat equity, etc.) seems to outweigh the benefit (writing/blue booking improvements).

As part of the AJD/transfer wave of write-ons, results won't impact OCI, so the exercise seems even more fruitless.


fall writing competition results get released in mid september. So while OCI screeners are over by then, you could still be doing callbacks at that time- in which case having journal might be the extra edge that lands you the offer.

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Re: Northwestern 1L/2L/3L/Grads Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby lhanvt13 » Mon Aug 25, 2014 2:40 pm

Holly Golightly wrote:
Man from Nantucket wrote:
lhanvt13 wrote:Heard kellogg co-hosted courses are on a C curve? Any truth to this?


Anyone know if this is true?

Pretty sure this was addressed a few pages ago.

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=142200&p=5992443&hilit=Curve+kellogg#p5992443

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Re: Northwestern 1L/2L/3L/Grads Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby captainplanet » Mon Aug 25, 2014 4:03 pm

splitsplat wrote:
wojo98 wrote:Serious question: is any secondary journal worth the effort? Figurative cost (time commitment, sweat equity, etc.) seems to outweigh the benefit (writing/blue booking improvements).

As part of the AJD/transfer wave of write-ons, results won't impact OCI, so the exercise seems even more fruitless.


fall writing competition results get released in mid september. So while OCI screeners are over by then, you could still be doing callbacks at that time- in which case having journal might be the extra edge that lands you the offer.


I don't think that being on a secondary journal would really make a difference during the callback stage, unless it was a journal that was specifically related to the job. However, being on a journal is a good idea if you want to clerk.

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Re: Northwestern 1L/2L/3L/Grads Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby franklyscarlet » Mon Aug 25, 2014 6:32 pm

I'm biased because I actually really like my secondary journal, but it's also a good way to get part of the writing requirement out of the way without having to get graded on what you write.

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Re: Northwestern 1L/2L/3L/Grads Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby rinkrat19 » Mon Aug 25, 2014 7:34 pm

My journal note was a lot of work, but I actually kind of enjoyed it, once I found a topic I could really get into. I ended up being pretty proud of the result, even if I didn't try and get it published anywhere.

Also consider what it will look like come 3L job hunt time if you strike out at OCI and don't have a journal or moot court on your resume.

The source and cite assignments were really not that bad.

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Re: Northwestern 1L/2L/3L/Grads Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby whereskyle » Tue Aug 26, 2014 12:14 am

so i was having a really good time at orientation, and then... cliff...

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Re: Northwestern 1L/2L/3L/Grads Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Micdiddy » Tue Aug 26, 2014 12:30 am

whereskyle wrote:so i was having a really good time at orientation, and then... cliff...


HAHAHA. Was it the honor code talk? Sorry man, Cliff is a cool guy though. Also, just be thankful you're not doing a scavenger hunt.

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Re: Northwestern 1L/2L/3L/Grads Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby bananasplit19 » Tue Aug 26, 2014 12:34 am

Micdiddy wrote:
whereskyle wrote:so i was having a really good time at orientation, and then... cliff...


HAHAHA. Was it the honor code talk? Sorry man, Cliff is a cool guy though. Also, just be thankful you're not doing a scavenger hunt.

My scavenger hunt last year involved going to a law firm that, as it turned out, was unaware we were coming. We were denied entry, hung out awkwardly with the security guard in the ground floor lobby for a while, then eventually wandered to a nearby bar to get beers instead.

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Re: Northwestern 1L/2L/3L/Grads Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby whereskyle » Tue Aug 26, 2014 1:00 am

bananasplit19 wrote:
Micdiddy wrote:
whereskyle wrote:so i was having a really good time at orientation, and then... cliff...


HAHAHA. Was it the honor code talk? Sorry man, Cliff is a cool guy though. Also, just be thankful you're not doing a scavenger hunt.

My scavenger hunt last year involved going to a law firm that, as it turned out, was unaware we were coming. We were denied entry, hung out awkwardly with the security guard in the ground floor lobby for a while, then eventually wandered to a nearby bar to get beers instead.


i love this.

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Re: Northwestern 1L/2L/3L/Grads Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby tigress12 » Tue Aug 26, 2014 1:04 am

Thanks for everyone's inputs so far! Any more info/advice about these professors?

Property -Shoked
Torts -Shapo
Civ Pro - Provenzano
Contracts - Nzelibe

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Re: Northwestern 1L/2L/3L/Grads Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Dr. Filth » Tue Aug 26, 2014 9:30 am

bananasplit19 wrote:
Micdiddy wrote:
whereskyle wrote:so i was having a really good time at orientation, and then... cliff...


HAHAHA. Was it the honor code talk? Sorry man, Cliff is a cool guy though. Also, just be thankful you're not doing a scavenger hunt.

My scavenger hunt last year involved going to a law firm that, as it turned out, was unaware we were coming. We were denied entry, hung out awkwardly with the security guard in the ground floor lobby for a while, then eventually wandered to a nearby bar to get beers instead.

Were we in the same group?

Nzelibe didn't really cold call for our class. He seems totally uninterested in the material. The only important thing to know is have really structured exam answers. It's going to seem like a joke but short, simple paragraphs for each issue. Go topic sentence. Rule sentence. Analysis. Conclusion. It feels ridiculous as you do it, but do it. I'm sure this will be preached at you when exams roll around, but seriously, just do it.

Edit: oh and I learned that class over three days thanks to the outline flips gave me. Nothing is that hard in his class.

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Re: Northwestern 1L/2L/3L/Grads Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Holly Golightly » Tue Aug 26, 2014 9:39 am

I know people who did well on Nzelibe's exam by bolding the key words (offer, acceptance, etc.).

Yes, he's really that lazy.

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Re: Northwestern 1L/2L/3L/Grads Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby onionz » Tue Aug 26, 2014 9:40 am

Dr. Filth wrote:
bananasplit19 wrote:
Micdiddy wrote:
whereskyle wrote:so i was having a really good time at orientation, and then... cliff...


HAHAHA. Was it the honor code talk? Sorry man, Cliff is a cool guy though. Also, just be thankful you're not doing a scavenger hunt.

My scavenger hunt last year involved going to a law firm that, as it turned out, was unaware we were coming. We were denied entry, hung out awkwardly with the security guard in the ground floor lobby for a while, then eventually wandered to a nearby bar to get beers instead.

Were we in the same group?

Nzelibe didn't really cold call for our class. He seems totally uninterested in the material. The only important thing to know is have really structured exam answers. It's going to seem like a joke but short, simple paragraphs for each issue. Go topic sentence. Rule sentence. Analysis. Conclusion. It feels ridiculous as you do it, but do it. I'm sure this will be preached at you when exams roll around, but seriously, just do it.

Edit: oh and I learned that class over three days thanks to the outline flips gave me. Nothing is that hard in his class.



Re Nzelibe, I mostly agree with the above and will add he's great 1 on 1 and will spend a lot of time after class trying to explain things if you need it.

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Re: Northwestern 1L/2L/3L/Grads Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Flips88 » Tue Aug 26, 2014 9:42 am

Yeah, he basically told us that he gets really bored when grading exams so if you make it as simple as possible for him to read the same shit over and over, he'll reward you.

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Re: Northwestern 1L/2L/3L/Grads Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Holly Golightly » Tue Aug 26, 2014 9:47 am

When I went over my exam with Nzelibe's, he flipped through it and went, "This is a really good exam, I don't know why you didn't get a higher grade!" :|

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Re: Northwestern 1L/2L/3L/Grads Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Flips88 » Tue Aug 26, 2014 9:49 am

Holly Golightly wrote:When I went over my exam with Nzelibe's, he flipped through it and went, "This is a really good exam, I don't know why you didn't get a higher grade!" :|

I had that experience with my property prof. Taught me just to not go talk to the profs. They'll have no good reason for why you didn't get a higher grade.

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Re: Northwestern 1L/2L/3L/Grads Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Dr. Filth » Tue Aug 26, 2014 9:52 am

When I went over my exam with nzelibe the only thing he said I did well was organization. He seemed kinda confused about giving me the grade he did.

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Re: Northwestern 1L/2L/3L/Grads Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby feralinfant » Tue Aug 26, 2014 10:15 am

Holly Golightly wrote:I know people who did well on Nzelibe's exam by bolding the key words (offer, acceptance, etc.).

Yes, he's really that lazy.


see e.g., the NYU debacle

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Re: Northwestern 1L/2L/3L/Grads Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Micdiddy » Tue Aug 26, 2014 11:29 am

feralinfant wrote:
Holly Golightly wrote:I know people who did well on Nzelibe's exam by bolding the key words (offer, acceptance, etc.).

Yes, he's really that lazy.


see e.g., the NYU debacle


HAHAH YOU ITALICIZED THE COMMA AFTER "E.G." AND YOU'RE MISSING A COMMA AFTER "SEE" BWAHAHAHAHAHABWHAAHAH BWAHAHAHA.

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Re: Northwestern 1L/2L/3L/Grads Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby lhanvt13 » Tue Aug 26, 2014 11:54 am

Micdiddy wrote:
feralinfant wrote:
Holly Golightly wrote:I know people who did well on Nzelibe's exam by bolding the key words (offer, acceptance, etc.).

Yes, he's really that lazy.


see e.g., the NYU debacle


HAHAH YOU ITALICIZED THE COMMA AFTER "E.G." AND YOU'RE MISSING A COMMA AFTER "SEE" BWAHAHAHAHAHABWHAAHAH BWAHAHAHA.

There's supposed to be a comma after "see"?

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Re: Northwestern 1L/2L/3L/Grads Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Georgia Avenue » Tue Aug 26, 2014 1:24 pm

Flips88 wrote:Yeah, he basically told us that he gets really bored when grading exams so if you make it as simple as possible for him to read the same shit over and over, he'll reward you.


"If it looks good, it is good"

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Re: Northwestern 1L/2L/3L/Grads Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby lhanvt13 » Tue Aug 26, 2014 3:22 pm

Bye bye Kagan.




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