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Re: Northwestern 1L/2L/3L/Grads Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby lhanvt13 » Tue Aug 19, 2014 12:58 pm

anybody have any insights on BA with Silver vs. Corporations?

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Re: Northwestern 1L/2L/3L/Grads Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby 09042014 » Tue Aug 19, 2014 1:13 pm

lhanvt13 wrote:anybody have any insights on BA with Silver vs. Corporations?


Presser's class sux if its him

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Re: Northwestern 1L/2L/3L/Grads Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby lhanvt13 » Tue Aug 19, 2014 1:34 pm

Desert Fox wrote:
lhanvt13 wrote:anybody have any insights on BA with Silver vs. Corporations?


Presser's class sux if its him

Haha it's presser.
was hoping for less exams at once so that's why I was interested in Corp. Should I just stick with BA then if Presser is that bad?

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Re: Northwestern 1L/2L/3L/Grads Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby 09042014 » Tue Aug 19, 2014 1:38 pm

lhanvt13 wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:
lhanvt13 wrote:anybody have any insights on BA with Silver vs. Corporations?


Presser's class sux if its him

Haha it's presser.
was hoping for less exams at once so that's why I was interested in Corp. Should I just stick with BA then if Presser is that bad?


It's like a 2 week take home essay exam. It sucks.

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Re: Northwestern 1L/2L/3L/Grads Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby lhanvt13 » Tue Aug 19, 2014 1:39 pm

Desert Fox wrote:
lhanvt13 wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:
lhanvt13 wrote:anybody have any insights on BA with Silver vs. Corporations?


Presser's class sux if its him

Haha it's presser.
was hoping for less exams at once so that's why I was interested in Corp. Should I just stick with BA then if Presser is that bad?


It's like a 2 week take home essay exam. It sucks.

sucks more than 4 exams at the end of semester?

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Re: Northwestern 1L/2L/3L/Grads Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby 09042014 » Tue Aug 19, 2014 1:40 pm

lhanvt13 wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:
lhanvt13 wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:
Presser's class sux if its him

Haha it's presser.
was hoping for less exams at once so that's why I was interested in Corp. Should I just stick with BA then if Presser is that bad?


It's like a 2 week take home essay exam. It sucks.

sucks more than 4 exams at the end of semester?


It's due basically the first day of finals. So it's like a real final. Take a paper class instead if you want 3.

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Re: Northwestern 1L/2L/3L/Grads Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby lhanvt13 » Tue Aug 19, 2014 1:43 pm

gotcha. thanks for the info!

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Re: Northwestern 1L/2L/3L/Grads Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby captainplanet » Tue Aug 19, 2014 4:15 pm

Solistus wrote:Thoughts on doing a clinic as a 2L? I worked for the Environmental Advocacy Center over the summer and loved it, already signed up for Prof. Loeb's energy law class, but I'm thinking about dropping Admin Law from my current schedule if I can get the clinic in round 2. My current classes are:


1st Amendment (Kitrosser)
Administrative Law (Fischman)
Energy Law & Policy (Loeb)
Strategy of Litigation (Salpeter)
Trusts & Estates (Lindgren)


Also, any other feedback on this schedule would be great. I kinda have no idea what I'm doing, and OCI has consumed 99% of my attention lately. I know I probably should have bid BA round 1, but if I'm reading CAESAR correctly there's no real chance of getting in via round 2... Next semester it is. I was thinking that I would also take care of the writing requirement next semester, and save the perspective elective and legal ethics for 3LOL - is that a reasonable plan, or am I screwing myself over by not taking care of some of those requirements this semester?

edit: may be worth mentioning that I have plenty of points left - over 2500.


I would wait to take 1st Amendment with DeSanto, he's amazing! Also check whether Strategy of Litigation is a class where ITA really should be completed beforehand. I hear that Admin is intense, and some say you should take tax before Estates & Trusts, but I took it without having taken tax and was totally fine (different professor though). I think most people try to strike a balance with half black letter law classes and half seminars, and you'll want to watch for a curved class heavy schedule, since that'll definitely increase your stress level.

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Re: Northwestern 1L/2L/3L/Grads Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby captainplanet » Tue Aug 19, 2014 4:23 pm

Is this schedule way too heavy? I really want to take these classes but don't want to make myself crazy so I'd appreciate any input about work load from people who've taken any of these classes. Thanks!

Judicial Practicum
Basics of Contract Drafting (Mulaney)
Law, Advocacy, & Public Persuasion (DeSanto)
IP (Francis)
Law of Real Estate Development & Finance (Dana, Kellogg class)
Legal Ethics for Business Lawyers (Foster)
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Re: Northwestern 1L/2L/3L/Grads Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby 09042014 » Tue Aug 19, 2014 4:25 pm

captainplanet wrote:Is this schedule way too heavy?

Judicial Practicum
Basics of Contract Drafting (Mulaney)
Law, Advocacy, & Public Persuasion (DeSanto)
IP (Francis)
Law of Real Estate Development & Finance (Dana, Kellogg class)
Legal Ethics for Business Lawyers (Foster)


yes why are you doing so much

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Re: Northwestern 1L/2L/3L/Grads Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby captainplanet » Tue Aug 19, 2014 4:30 pm

Desert Fox wrote:
captainplanet wrote:Is this schedule way too heavy?

Judicial Practicum
Basics of Contract Drafting (Mulaney)
Law, Advocacy, & Public Persuasion (DeSanto)
IP (Francis)
Law of Real Estate Development & Finance (Dana, Kellogg class)
Legal Ethics for Business Lawyers (Foster)


yes why are you doing so much


AJD, need to take 6 classes. Is this a bad mix though? It's pretty light on black letter law but I've heard that some of these other classes may be work heavy.

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Re: Northwestern 1L/2L/3L/Grads Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Flips88 » Tue Aug 19, 2014 4:38 pm

captainplanet wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:
captainplanet wrote:Is this schedule way too heavy?

Judicial Practicum
Basics of Contract Drafting (Mulaney)
Law, Advocacy, & Public Persuasion (DeSanto)
IP (Francis)
Law of Real Estate Development & Finance (Dana, Kellogg class)
Legal Ethics for Business Lawyers (Foster)


yes why are you doing so much


AJD, need to take 6 classes. Is this a bad mix though? It's pretty light on black letter law but I've heard that some of these other classes may be work heavy.

Yeah the practicum with 5 other classes is going to fuck your life up. 12 hours a week for the work plus 2 hours for practicum class plus a bunch of busy work (weekly journals, class presentation). Ethics usually involves a bunch of dumb small assignments throughout. I assume a contracts drafting class also has assignments throughout the semester. DeSanto might as well for all I know. That schedule really sucks.

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Re: Northwestern 1L/2L/3L/Grads Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby 09042014 » Tue Aug 19, 2014 4:40 pm

captainplanet wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:
captainplanet wrote:Is this schedule way too heavy?

Judicial Practicum
Basics of Contract Drafting (Mulaney)
Law, Advocacy, & Public Persuasion (DeSanto)
IP (Francis)
Law of Real Estate Development & Finance (Dana, Kellogg class)
Legal Ethics for Business Lawyers (Foster)


yes why are you doing so much


AJD, need to take 6 classes. Is this a bad mix though? It's pretty light on black letter law but I've heard that some of these other classes may be work heavy.


Gotta do what you gotta do.

Why aren't you taking project finance?

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Re: Northwestern 1L/2L/3L/Grads Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby VulcanVulcanVulcan » Tue Aug 19, 2014 4:43 pm

captainplanet wrote:
Solistus wrote:Thoughts on doing a clinic as a 2L? I worked for the Environmental Advocacy Center over the summer and loved it, already signed up for Prof. Loeb's energy law class, but I'm thinking about dropping Admin Law from my current schedule if I can get the clinic in round 2. My current classes are:


1st Amendment (Kitrosser)
Administrative Law (Fischman)
Energy Law & Policy (Loeb)
Strategy of Litigation (Salpeter)
Trusts & Estates (Lindgren)


Also, any other feedback on this schedule would be great. I kinda have no idea what I'm doing, and OCI has consumed 99% of my attention lately. I know I probably should have bid BA round 1, but if I'm reading CAESAR correctly there's no real chance of getting in via round 2... Next semester it is. I was thinking that I would also take care of the writing requirement next semester, and save the perspective elective and legal ethics for 3LOL - is that a reasonable plan, or am I screwing myself over by not taking care of some of those requirements this semester?

edit: may be worth mentioning that I have plenty of points left - over 2500.


I would wait to take 1st Amendment with DeSanto, he's amazing! Also check whether Strategy of Litigation is a class where ITA really should be completed beforehand. I hear that Admin is intense, and some say you should take tax before Estates & Trusts, but I took it without having taken tax and was totally fine (different professor though). I think most people try to strike a balance with half black letter law classes and half seminars, and you'll want to watch for a curved class heavy schedule, since that'll definitely increase your stress level.


Kitrosser is great and very, very smart. Worth checking out her class.

Admin Law with Fischman is intense in terms of the people in the class and the final, but there's less than 10 pages of reading per night usually. During the semester it isn't bad at all. His lectures are also very comprehensive and substantive.

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Re: Northwestern 1L/2L/3L/Grads Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby captainplanet » Tue Aug 19, 2014 4:47 pm

Desert Fox wrote:
captainplanet wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:
captainplanet wrote:Is this schedule way too heavy?

Judicial Practicum
Basics of Contract Drafting (Mulaney)
Law, Advocacy, & Public Persuasion (DeSanto)
IP (Francis)
Law of Real Estate Development & Finance (Dana, Kellogg class)
Legal Ethics for Business Lawyers (Foster)


yes why are you doing so much


AJD, need to take 6 classes. Is this a bad mix though? It's pretty light on black letter law but I've heard that some of these other classes may be work heavy.


Gotta do what you gotta do.

Why aren't you taking project finance?


What's project finance?

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Re: Northwestern 1L/2L/3L/Grads Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby captainplanet » Tue Aug 19, 2014 4:50 pm

Flips88 wrote:
captainplanet wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:
captainplanet wrote:Is this schedule way too heavy?

Judicial Practicum
Basics of Contract Drafting (Mulaney)
Law, Advocacy, & Public Persuasion (DeSanto)
IP (Francis)
Law of Real Estate Development & Finance (Dana, Kellogg class)
Legal Ethics for Business Lawyers (Foster)


yes why are you doing so much


AJD, need to take 6 classes. Is this a bad mix though? It's pretty light on black letter law but I've heard that some of these other classes may be work heavy.

Yeah the practicum with 5 other classes is going to fuck your life up. 12 hours a week for the work plus 2 hours for practicum class plus a bunch of busy work (weekly journals, class presentation). Ethics usually involves a bunch of dumb small assignments throughout. I assume a contracts drafting class also has assignments throughout the semester. DeSanto might as well for all I know. That schedule really sucks.


Thanks! I might drop ethics or IP and pick up a seminar instead.

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Re: Northwestern 1L/2L/3L/Grads Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby 09042014 » Tue Aug 19, 2014 4:52 pm

captainplanet wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:
captainplanet wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:
yes why are you doing so much


AJD, need to take 6 classes. Is this a bad mix though? It's pretty light on black letter law but I've heard that some of these other classes may be work heavy.


Gotta do what you gotta do.

Why aren't you taking project finance?


What's project finance?


The class is so easy I dunno what project finance is and I got an A.

He gives 90% A's, 5% A- 5%A+. And there is only a final project and group paper (20 pages combined). It's legit.

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Re: Northwestern 1L/2L/3L/Grads Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby lhanvt13 » Tue Aug 19, 2014 4:55 pm

Aw, there's no project finance this semester, or I'm just bad at using Caesar

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Re: Northwestern 1L/2L/3L/Grads Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby captainplanet » Tue Aug 19, 2014 4:58 pm

lhanvt13 wrote:Aw, there's no project finance this semester, or I'm just bad at using Caesar


Haha, okay so I'm not crazy/blind.

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Re: Northwestern 1L/2L/3L/Grads Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby 09042014 » Tue Aug 19, 2014 5:03 pm

captainplanet wrote:
lhanvt13 wrote:Aw, there's no project finance this semester, or I'm just bad at using Caesar


Haha, okay so I'm not crazy/blind.


sucks, International Businesss Transactions?

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Re: Northwestern 1L/2L/3L/Grads Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby captainplanet » Tue Aug 19, 2014 5:12 pm

Desert Fox wrote:
captainplanet wrote:
lhanvt13 wrote:Aw, there's no project finance this semester, or I'm just bad at using Caesar


Haha, okay so I'm not crazy/blind.


sucks, International Businesss Transactions?


I'm thinking Lawyer Memoirs. Too bad I already took all of the easiest seminars during 2L, haha.

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Re: Northwestern 1L/2L/3L/Grads Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby lhanvt13 » Tue Aug 19, 2014 5:30 pm

captainplanet wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:
captainplanet wrote:
lhanvt13 wrote:Aw, there's no project finance this semester, or I'm just bad at using Caesar


Haha, okay so I'm not crazy/blind.


sucks, International Businesss Transactions?


I'm thinking Lawyer Memoirs. Too bad I already took all of the easiest seminars during 2L, haha.

haha could you provide some examples? for reference for next semester

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Re: Northwestern 1L/2L/3L/Grads Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby PBateman1 » Tue Aug 19, 2014 6:07 pm

If I took 4 credits over the summer is taking 4 classes this fall a good idea?

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Re: Northwestern 1L/2L/3L/Grads Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby rinkrat19 » Tue Aug 19, 2014 6:23 pm

PBateman1 wrote:If I took 4 credits over the summer is taking 4 classes this fall a good idea?

I'm saving my light term for spring 3L. But it's really up to you.

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Re: Northwestern 1L/2L/3L/Grads Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby suzige » Tue Aug 19, 2014 6:37 pm

so can anyone offer any insight into the trilogy? I'm signed up for it after round 1 but not sure what i'm getting myself into.




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