Northwestern 1L/2L/3L/Grads Taking Questions and Challenges

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Georgia Avenue » Mon Jun 17, 2013 8:55 pm

Holly Golightly wrote:
basilseal wrote:Is there something in this thread that talks about ITA?

What are your questions?


+1 what's up

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby basilseal » Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:39 pm

Georgia Avenue wrote:
Holly Golightly wrote:
basilseal wrote:Is there something in this thread that talks about ITA?

What are your questions?


+1 what's up

Thanks y'all. Who should be considering it? Anyone interested in lit? How's the workload? Would you recommend it?

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Flips88 » Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:41 pm

Haven't been on ITP but I believe the people that are interested in it are those looking for 4/5 credits of A/A+

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Georgia Avenue » Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:21 pm

^^^ He's talking about Trial Advocacy.

I thought it was great and a lot of fun, but there are a lot of mixed reviews out there. Since the class is taught entirely by adjuncts, your enjoyment and learning will depend on who you get for your adjuncts each week. It won't be super helpful if you're trying to go into lit because you won't be trying cases much (if ever) as an associate if you're going to a firm. But it's a pretty fun way to get 4 credits and not have to read cases and get cold called. It's also uncurved.

The biggest negative is taking ITA Evidence and Ethics along with it, which are both giant pains the ass.

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby dstars823 » Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:26 pm

wait so this is a class we can take 1st year?

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Georgia Avenue » Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:38 pm

dstars823 wrote:wait so this is a class we can take 1st year?


I don't believe so. Has to be taken concurrently with or after evidence and ethics I think.

Maybe it's only evidence and you can swing taking it as a second semester 1L, but I wouldn't really recommend it.

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Flips88 » Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:46 pm

Georgia Avenue wrote:^^^ He's talking about Trial Advocacy.

I thought it was great and a lot of fun, but there are a lot of mixed reviews out there. Since the class is taught entirely by adjuncts, your enjoyment and learning will depend on who you get for your adjuncts each week. It won't be super helpful if you're trying to go into lit because you won't be trying cases much (if ever) as an associate if you're going to a firm. But it's a pretty fun way to get 4 credits and not have to read cases and get cold called. It's also uncurved.

The biggest negative is taking ITA Evidence and Ethics along with it, which are both giant pains the ass.

Oh lol. brain farted and saw ITP.

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Flips88 » Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:51 pm

Georgia Avenue wrote:
dstars823 wrote:wait so this is a class we can take 1st year?


I don't believe so. Has to be taken concurrently with or after evidence and ethics I think.

Maybe it's only evidence and you can swing taking it as a second semester 1L, but I wouldn't really recommend it.

I think to get the bonus, you have to take it as a trilogy. Normally it's 3 for Trial Ad, 2 for ethics, and 3 for evidence and if you take them all concurrently you get 10 instead.

I'm also pretty sure you can't take it as a 1L. It's not listed as "open to first year students" on CAESAR

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Georgia Avenue » Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:53 pm

Forgot about the bonus points for the trilogy. Great point.

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Samara » Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:09 am

Yeah, you can't do ITA as a 1L.

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Holly Golightly » Tue Jun 18, 2013 9:35 am

I loved ITA, but I got lucky and got awesome adjuncts for the most part. I also know people who definitely knew their shit got screwed by getting shifty adjuncts for parts of the class that were graded heavily. It's also a lot more work during the semester than other classes, but then it's over at the very beginning of finals.

And something to keep in mind is that a lot of people feel the grading is pretty arbitrary (even in the Evidence and Ethics portions), so those extra credits aren't exactly a bonus to everyone.

That said, I really enjoyed it and am glad I took it.

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby crumpetsandtea » Tue Jun 18, 2013 10:16 am

If we want to do ITP, when do we have to start planning it?

Alternatively, heyyyyyyy NU rising 2Ls, anyone planning an ITP trip that I can get in on? ;)

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Georgia Avenue » Tue Jun 18, 2013 10:30 am

crumpetsandtea wrote:If we want to do ITP, when do we have to start planning it?

Alternatively, heyyyyyyy NU rising 2Ls, anyone planning an ITP trip that I can get in on? ;)


Cayman Islands to study tax. Thank me later.

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby crumpetsandtea » Tue Jun 18, 2013 10:51 am

Georgia Avenue wrote:
crumpetsandtea wrote:If we want to do ITP, when do we have to start planning it?

Alternatively, heyyyyyyy NU rising 2Ls, anyone planning an ITP trip that I can get in on? ;)


Cayman Islands to study tax. Thank me later.

What if I know nothing of tax?

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby basilseal » Tue Jun 18, 2013 10:54 am

Thanks for the ITA info. Will have to think about it.

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Georgia Avenue » Tue Jun 18, 2013 11:37 am

crumpetsandtea wrote:
Georgia Avenue wrote:
crumpetsandtea wrote:If we want to do ITP, when do we have to start planning it?

Alternatively, heyyyyyyy NU rising 2Ls, anyone planning an ITP trip that I can get in on? ;)


Cayman Islands to study tax. Thank me later.

What if I know nothing of tax?


Shouldn't stop you from 4 credits of A and a week in paradise

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby homestyle28 » Tue Jun 18, 2013 11:44 am

Georgia Avenue wrote:
crumpetsandtea wrote:
Georgia Avenue wrote:
crumpetsandtea wrote:If we want to do ITP, when do we have to start planning it?

Alternatively, heyyyyyyy NU rising 2Ls, anyone planning an ITP trip that I can get in on? ;)


Cayman Islands to study tax. Thank me later.

What if I know nothing of tax?


Shouldn't stop you from 4 credits of A and a week in paradise


Man, I did 2L sooo poorly.

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Georgia Avenue » Tue Jun 18, 2013 11:56 am

homestyle28 wrote:Man, I did 2L sooo poorly.


Eh. School doesn't let you bring the wife and kids. You do what you gotta do.

Plus, it's one less entire SA check to pay off your credit card and one less check to Uncle Sam when you're 55.

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby D-hops » Tue Jun 18, 2013 6:23 pm

crumpetsandtea wrote:If we want to do ITP, when do we have to start planning it?

Alternatively, heyyyyyyy NU rising 2Ls, anyone planning an ITP trip that I can get in on? ;)


Usually people start planning it in the fall to have the bids ready by December/November (I think). You get an extra credit for planning but it is probably not worth the time and effort you actually have to put in. I'd rather just tag along on someone I know's ITP (which is what I did).

Also, I think they might be switching it to a 10 day trip or something this year, which would suck.

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Georgia Avenue » Tue Jun 18, 2013 6:49 pm

D-hops wrote: I'd rather just tag along on someone I know's ITP (which is what I did).

yeah this

D-hops wrote:Also, I think they might be switching it to a 10 day trip or something this year, which would suck.


also this

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Flips88 » Tue Jun 18, 2013 10:39 pm

homestyle28 wrote:Man, I did 2L sooo poorly.

+1. So glad it's over though. Bring on 3LOL

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Bumi » Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:57 am

You get an extra credit for planning but it is probably not worth the time and effort you actually have to put in.

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Eugenie Danglars » Thu Jun 20, 2013 2:59 pm

Sup guys? long time no talk :-)

Also, is it stupid to take evidence and ethics and not trial ad for the extra credit?

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Georgia Avenue » Thu Jun 20, 2013 3:03 pm

Eugenie Danglars wrote:Sup guys? long time no talk :-)

Also, is it stupid to take evidence and ethics and not trial ad for the extra credit?


nah not that stupid if you have no interest in trial. it's a lot of work, plus ITA ethics is a giant pain in the ass.

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby homestyle28 » Thu Jun 20, 2013 3:36 pm

Georgia Avenue wrote:
Eugenie Danglars wrote:Sup guys? long time no talk :-)

Also, is it stupid to take evidence and ethics and not trial ad for the extra credit?


nah not that stupid if you have no interest in trial. it's a lot of work, plus ITA ethics is a giant pain in the ass.




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