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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Icculus » Thu Jun 06, 2013 3:10 pm

Desert Fox wrote:
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Desert Fox wrote:Wasn't that curved?


It had to be based on #s, but Prof swore he wouldn't do it, final was a group exam, told our group we did A+ work.

edit: did NOT get an A+ (or an A of any variety for that matter)


You really can't bitch about not getting an A or A- in the a curved class.

It's the prof's fault for having such a stupid final in a curved class, but the prof can't uncurve a curved class. Rule are rules.


Right, which is why it is bs he said he was going to try and uncurve it. It sounded sketchy from the start.

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby rinkrat19 » Thu Jun 06, 2013 3:12 pm

Summer grades don't post by OCI time, right?

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby homestyle28 » Thu Jun 06, 2013 3:12 pm

Icculus wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:
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Desert Fox wrote:Wasn't that curved?


It had to be based on #s, but Prof swore he wouldn't do it, final was a group exam, told our group we did A+ work.

edit: did NOT get an A+ (or an A of any variety for that matter)


You really can't bitch about not getting an A or A- in the a curved class.

It's the prof's fault for having such a stupid final in a curved class, but the prof can't uncurve a curved class. Rule are rules.


Right, which is why it is bs he said he was going to try and uncurve it. It sounded sketchy from the start.


He did say he'd quit if they made him curve it, so who's taking bets that he follows through?

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Samara » Thu Jun 06, 2013 3:13 pm

rinkrat19 wrote:Summer grades don't post by OCI time, right?

Correct.

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby rinkrat19 » Thu Jun 06, 2013 3:14 pm

Samara wrote:
rinkrat19 wrote:Summer grades don't post by OCI time, right?

Correct.

That blows.

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby VulcanVulcanVulcan » Thu Jun 06, 2013 3:14 pm

Is this Secreg prof tenured? Might make a difference how this was handled.

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Icculus » Thu Jun 06, 2013 3:22 pm

VulcanVulcanVulcan wrote:Is this Secreg prof tenured? Might make a difference how this was handled.


No, he's an adjunct.

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby D-hops » Thu Jun 06, 2013 3:23 pm

VulcanVulcanVulcan wrote:Is this Secreg prof tenured? Might make a difference how this was handled.


How would it make a difference? You can't uncurve a class over the mandatory curve limit no matter the professor's status.

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Postby Icculus » Thu Jun 06, 2013 3:26 pm

D-hops wrote:
VulcanVulcanVulcan wrote:Is this Secreg prof tenured? Might make a difference how this was handled.


How would it make a difference? You can't uncurve a class over the mandatory curve limit no matter the professor's status.


Right. But a tenured prof. probably wouldn't have set the class up in such a way as to basically screw people over.

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby bananasplit19 » Thu Jun 06, 2013 3:28 pm

Sooo...who wants to break down what's going on with this curve/SecReg business to a clueless 0L like he's 5 years old? :|

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby homestyle28 » Thu Jun 06, 2013 3:28 pm

Icculus wrote:
D-hops wrote:
VulcanVulcanVulcan wrote:Is this Secreg prof tenured? Might make a difference how this was handled.


How would it make a difference? You can't uncurve a class over the mandatory curve limit no matter the professor's status.


Right. But a tenured prof. probably wouldn't have set the class up in such a way as to basically screw people over.


The going theory was that he was a potential big donor to the school and the admin wouldn't want to risk making him unhappy...I would have bet that they were going to make the class pass/fail

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Icculus » Thu Jun 06, 2013 3:30 pm

bananasplit19 wrote:Sooo...who wants to break down what's going on with this curve/SecReg business to a clueless 0L like he's 5 years old? :|


Class had more than 40 people, requiring a forced curve.
Prof broke class into groups and gave a group final figuring he could then argue it was fewer than 40 and thus give everyone a good grade/gentleman's A-.
Admin said no dice, class is curved.

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby homestyle28 » Thu Jun 06, 2013 3:33 pm

Icculus wrote:
bananasplit19 wrote:Sooo...who wants to break down what's going on with this curve/SecReg business to a clueless 0L like he's 5 years old? :|


Class had more than 40 people, requiring a forced curve.
Prof broke class into groups and gave a group final figuring he could then argue it was fewer than 40 and thus give everyone a good grade/gentleman's A-.
Admin said no dice, class is curved.


+ prof repeatedly said he wouldn't curve it, even up to the time the final was submitted.

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Icculus » Thu Jun 06, 2013 3:35 pm

homestyle28 wrote:
Icculus wrote:
bananasplit19 wrote:Sooo...who wants to break down what's going on with this curve/SecReg business to a clueless 0L like he's 5 years old? :|


Class had more than 40 people, requiring a forced curve.
Prof broke class into groups and gave a group final figuring he could then argue it was fewer than 40 and thus give everyone a good grade/gentleman's A-.
Admin said no dice, class is curved.


+ prof repeatedly said he wouldn't curve it, even up to the time the final was submitted.


That is the part that would infuriate me. Like, I am sure he knew he had to curve it. Like, did he expect some kind or miracle? A group final in a curved class is utter bull shit.

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby 09042014 » Thu Jun 06, 2013 3:37 pm

rinkrat19 wrote:Summer grades don't post by OCI time, right?


Not by OCI, but maybe enough to boost your GPA for late massmailing and callbacks, and for government apps. I got them Sept. 15, 2011.

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Georgia Avenue » Thu Jun 06, 2013 3:38 pm

Should add that last spring was his first time teaching the class, so only ~20 people signed up and he handed out A+s like candy, so this semester it was full enrollment, which I don't think he was expecting.

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Icculus » Thu Jun 06, 2013 3:40 pm

Georgia Avenue wrote:Should add that last spring was his first time teaching the class, so only ~20 people signed up and he handed out A+s like candy, so this semester it was full enrollment, which I don't think he was expecting.


I know a bunch of people who took it for that exact reason and it resulted in Horwich's class being uncurved (though my guess is H would curve anyway). And then my friends stayed because the prof promised he wouldn't curve it.

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Georgia Avenue » Thu Jun 06, 2013 3:43 pm

Icculus wrote:
Georgia Avenue wrote:Should add that last spring was his first time teaching the class, so only ~20 people signed up and he handed out A+s like candy, so this semester it was full enrollment, which I don't think he was expecting.


I know a bunch of people who took it for that exact reason and it resulted in Horwich's class being uncurved (though my guess is H would curve anyway). And then my friends stayed because the prof promised he wouldn't curve it.


To be fair, Horwich is one of the only professors where I would prefer a curve in their class.

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Icculus » Thu Jun 06, 2013 3:43 pm

Georgia Avenue wrote:
Icculus wrote:
Georgia Avenue wrote:Should add that last spring was his first time teaching the class, so only ~20 people signed up and he handed out A+s like candy, so this semester it was full enrollment, which I don't think he was expecting.


I know a bunch of people who took it for that exact reason and it resulted in Horwich's class being uncurved (though my guess is H would curve anyway). And then my friends stayed because the prof promised he wouldn't curve it.


To be fair, Horwich is one of the only professors that I would prefer a curve in their class.


Agreed. He is tough. HE basically emailed my class and told us we were all idiots after grades came out last semester.

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby homestyle28 » Thu Jun 06, 2013 3:44 pm

Icculus wrote:
Georgia Avenue wrote:Should add that last spring was his first time teaching the class, so only ~20 people signed up and he handed out A+s like candy, so this semester it was full enrollment, which I don't think he was expecting.


I know a bunch of people who took it for that exact reason and it resulted in Horwich's class being uncurved (though my guess is H would curve anyway). And then my friends stayed because the prof promised he wouldn't curve it.


what I really wonder is if everyone in each group got the same grade, in a class that small, he couldn't do 5 A+s right?

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Icculus » Thu Jun 06, 2013 3:44 pm

homestyle28 wrote:
Icculus wrote:
Georgia Avenue wrote:Should add that last spring was his first time teaching the class, so only ~20 people signed up and he handed out A+s like candy, so this semester it was full enrollment, which I don't think he was expecting.


I know a bunch of people who took it for that exact reason and it resulted in Horwich's class being uncurved (though my guess is H would curve anyway). And then my friends stayed because the prof promised he wouldn't curve it.


what I really wonder is if everyone in each group got the same grade, in a class that small, he couldn't do 5 A+s right?


Nope, in a 60 person class you can only give out what, like 2-3?

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Icculus » Thu Jun 06, 2013 3:45 pm

homestyle28 wrote:
Icculus wrote:
Georgia Avenue wrote:Should add that last spring was his first time teaching the class, so only ~20 people signed up and he handed out A+s like candy, so this semester it was full enrollment, which I don't think he was expecting.


I know a bunch of people who took it for that exact reason and it resulted in Horwich's class being uncurved (though my guess is H would curve anyway). And then my friends stayed because the prof promised he wouldn't curve it.


what I really wonder is if everyone in each group got the same grade, in a class that small, he couldn't do 5 A+s right?


I can't believe how angry I am for you and your class. Like, he really screwed the pooch here.

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby bananasplit19 » Thu Jun 06, 2013 3:46 pm

That's a major bummer. Follow-up question: is there a readily visible list that students can see as to whether a class is curved/uncurved (and if it is, whether the variance is big? ie "lots of As and Cs" v. "everyone gets a B+, two super-gunners get As, two unlucky slackers get Cs"), or is it all word of mouth? Regardless, I'm guessing there are flocks of students that fill up these uncurved classes super-quickly?

On a related note, do y'all think one should gun for these uncurved classes regardless of subject, or take a more interesting or relevant class to that student's long-term job preferences?

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Georgia Avenue » Thu Jun 06, 2013 3:47 pm

homestyle28 wrote:
Icculus wrote:
Georgia Avenue wrote:Should add that last spring was his first time teaching the class, so only ~20 people signed up and he handed out A+s like candy, so this semester it was full enrollment, which I don't think he was expecting.


I know a bunch of people who took it for that exact reason and it resulted in Horwich's class being uncurved (though my guess is H would curve anyway). And then my friends stayed because the prof promised he wouldn't curve it.


what I really wonder is if everyone in each group got the same grade, in a class that small, he couldn't do 5 A+s right?


Nope. I can confirm that grades differed within my individual group.

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby bjsesq » Thu Jun 06, 2013 3:47 pm

Lol. Got a D. D's get degrees, I guess. My shitty year ends in style.



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