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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby 09042014 » Wed May 01, 2013 6:08 pm

Cobretti wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:I think I figured it out. They did a headcount for the "employed at graduation" numbers and realized they were fucked. I bet they'll make the decisions by May 17, and BAM you are employed at graduation!

Do fellowships count as school funded?


I think so.

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby IAFG » Wed May 01, 2013 6:08 pm

Desert Fox wrote:I think I figured it out. They did a headcount for the "employed at graduation" numbers and realized they were fucked. I bet they'll make the decisions by May 17, and BAM you are employed at graduation!

Do you really think 4 people takes us from "fucked" to "not fucked"? Maybe it was just enough to move the needle for USNWR, IDK

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby IAFG » Wed May 01, 2013 6:09 pm

Desert Fox wrote:
Cobretti wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:I think I figured it out. They did a headcount for the "employed at graduation" numbers and realized they were fucked. I bet they'll make the decisions by May 17, and BAM you are employed at graduation!

Do fellowships count as school funded?


I think so.

Yeah Yale has them that count against them IRRC

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby 09042014 » Wed May 01, 2013 6:10 pm

IAFG wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:I think I figured it out. They did a headcount for the "employed at graduation" numbers and realized they were fucked. I bet they'll make the decisions by May 17, and BAM you are employed at graduation!

Do you really think 4 people takes us from "fucked" to "not fucked"? Maybe it was just enough to move the needle for USNWR, IDK


Oh I missed the part about 4. Yea, then maybe this is just admin incompetence. Nobody ever went broke betting against Northwestern Law's administration's competence.

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby IAFG » Wed May 01, 2013 6:50 pm

I revise my earlier outrage. Anyone who has been applying for fellowships is probably ready to go on this.

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Cobretti » Wed May 01, 2013 7:21 pm

IAFG wrote:I revise my earlier outrage. Anyone who has been applying for fellowships is probably ready to go on this.

+finally some funds not going to these c/o 2016 kids :mrgreen:

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby M458 » Wed May 01, 2013 7:51 pm

Desert Fox wrote:
IAFG wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:I think I figured it out. They did a headcount for the "employed at graduation" numbers and realized they were fucked. I bet they'll make the decisions by May 17, and BAM you are employed at graduation!

Do you really think 4 people takes us from "fucked" to "not fucked"? Maybe it was just enough to move the needle for USNWR, IDK


Oh I missed the part about 4. Yea, then maybe this is just admin incompetence. Nobody ever went broke betting against Northwestern Law's administration's competence.


4 is like what...1.5% percent of the class, right? Wonder if they'll continue to grow this or if it's a "let's move the needle slightly for this year's employment #s" king of thing as you guys are saying.

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby 09042014 » Wed May 01, 2013 8:10 pm

They are paying pretty good, which leads me to believe that this isn't a give away to juke unemployment.

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby purpletiger » Wed May 01, 2013 8:56 pm

I imagine they'll do a much bigger rollout for this for class of 2014.

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Holly Golightly » Wed May 01, 2013 10:09 pm

This kind of makes me wish I weren't clerking, since I won't be able to apply for these fellowships after that.

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby purpletiger » Thu May 02, 2013 1:56 am

Desert Fox wrote:They are paying pretty good, which leads me to believe that this isn't a give away to juke unemployment.


Topically, here are my favorite "juking the stats" clips:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ogxZxu6cjM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCNLiHmEUxA

"You juke the stats, and professors become deans."

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby IAFG » Thu May 02, 2013 5:22 pm

Cobretti wrote:D-Rod's Law Blog
Thoughts?

Glad he's outting the #s. Similar to what TLS had estimated.

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Cobretti » Thu May 02, 2013 5:24 pm

IAFG wrote:
Cobretti wrote:D-Rod's Law Blog
Thoughts?

Glad he's outting the #s. Similar to what TLS had estimated.

Do you agree NU has more "optimal outcomes" than TLS/LST/ATL give it credit?

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby bk1 » Thu May 02, 2013 5:33 pm

IAFG wrote:
Cobretti wrote:D-Rod's Law Blog
Thoughts?

Glad he's outting the #s. Similar to what TLS had estimated.

Kinda surprised that 10% of JD/MBA alums are partners.

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Georgia Avenue » Thu May 02, 2013 6:04 pm

bk1 wrote:
IAFG wrote:
Cobretti wrote:D-Rod's Law Blog
Thoughts?

Glad he's outting the #s. Similar to what TLS had estimated.

Kinda surprised that 10% of JD/MBA alums are partners.


That seems unnaturally high.

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby feralinfant » Thu May 02, 2013 6:12 pm

Cobretti wrote:D-Rod's Law Blog
Thoughts?


I was having doubts about NU after their TTTdom was revealed by ATL but now that i know about not just synergy but synergies plural all fears have been assuaged.

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby 09042014 » Thu May 02, 2013 6:27 pm

Georgia Avenue wrote:
bk1 wrote:
IAFG wrote:
Cobretti wrote:D-Rod's Law Blog
Thoughts?

Glad he's outting the #s. Similar to what TLS had estimated.

Kinda surprised that 10% of JD/MBA alums are partners.


That seems unnaturally high.


Partner doesn't just mean partner at a V100.

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby IAFG » Thu May 02, 2013 7:24 pm

Cobretti wrote:
IAFG wrote:
Cobretti wrote:D-Rod's Law Blog
Thoughts?

Glad he's outting the #s. Similar to what TLS had estimated.

Do you agree NU has more "optimal outcomes" than TLS/LST/ATL give it credit?

I absolutely believe that. But if they started looking at good PI outcomes I bet we would look TTT again

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby 09042014 » Thu May 02, 2013 7:26 pm

IAFG wrote:
Cobretti wrote:
IAFG wrote:
Cobretti wrote:D-Rod's Law Blog
Thoughts?

Glad he's outting the #s. Similar to what TLS had estimated.

Do you agree NU has more "optimal outcomes" than TLS/LST/ATL give it credit?

I absolutely believe that. But if they started looking at good PI outcomes I bet we would look TTT again


And TLS changes its mind based on last years data. Before this year people were saying NU was elite for biglaw. This year it's TTT.

For a bunch of smart people they don't understand random noise in data at all.

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Big Dog » Thu May 02, 2013 7:34 pm

D-Rod's Law Blog
Thoughts?


To be fair, the same analysis would have to be made at the other T14's. I'm guessing that Penn-Wharton JD-MBA's do more than ok, as do those that spend a year at HBS. So, after we factor in all JD Advantage jobs-- from a school's joint JD-MBA program--would the ATL rankings change much? Doubtful.

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Cobretti » Thu May 02, 2013 7:38 pm

Big Dog wrote:
D-Rod's Law Blog
Thoughts?


To be fair, the same analysis would have to be made at the other T14's. I'm guessing that Penn-Wharton JD-MBA's do more than ok, as do those that spend a year at HBS. So, after we factor in all JD Advantage jobs-- from a school's joint JD-MBA program--would the ATL rankings change much? Doubtful.

Well HBS/Wharton/Kellogg/SBS/Booth are in a different league from the rest of the T14 b-schools is the argument for why it would change.

I was also curious about what you guys thought specifically about the claim that through the Kellogg connection, some vanilla JDs were able to land MBB level jobs.

*I have no interest in these jobs, just curious.

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby bdubs » Thu May 02, 2013 7:51 pm

Cobretti wrote:I was also curious about what you guys thought specifically about the claim that through the Kellogg connection, some vanilla JDs were able to land MBB level jobs.

*I have no interest in these jobs, just curious.


I think it's BS. The connection to Kellogg (particularly for recruiting) for non-MBAs is non-existent. MBB hire JDs at Northwestern the same way they hire them at all of the T14.

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby bdubs » Thu May 02, 2013 7:52 pm

Big Dog wrote:
D-Rod's Law Blog
Thoughts?


To be fair, the same analysis would have to be made at the other T14's. I'm guessing that Penn-Wharton JD-MBA's do more than ok, as do those that spend a year at HBS. So, after we factor in all JD Advantage jobs-- from a school's joint JD-MBA program--would the ATL rankings change much? Doubtful.


The JD-MBA programs at those schools are much smaller as a percent of the total law graduates than it is at NU.

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Cobretti » Thu May 02, 2013 8:01 pm

bdubs wrote:
Cobretti wrote:I was also curious about what you guys thought specifically about the claim that through the Kellogg connection, some vanilla JDs were able to land MBB level jobs.

*I have no interest in these jobs, just curious.


I think it's BS. The connection to Kellogg (particularly for recruiting) for non-MBAs is non-existent. MBB hire JDs at Northwestern the same way they hire them at all of the T14.

So MBB aside, do you still think that on average NU's "JD Advantage" jobs are more optimal than JD Advantage at its peer schools for vanilla JDs? Or do you think his letter strictly applies to JD/MBAs?




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