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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby rinkrat19 » Tue Oct 23, 2012 11:13 pm

CardozoLaw09 wrote:How much does work experience matter to Northwestern for admissions? Or, how much favorably do admissions view a splitter that has solid work experience over one that doesn't? Just trying to gauge how much of a factor work experience is to Northwestern when assessing splitters.
Other things being equal, they'll take the one with work experience.

There's some indication that they're slightly relaxing the de facto WE requirement to maintain the LSAT/GPA medians, but that just means that instead of 5% of the class not having it, they're all the way up to 10%.

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby bk1 » Tue Oct 23, 2012 11:18 pm

dolfan0516 wrote:Is there a reason to take BA over corporations?


The prof and it's a semester rather than quarter (so more credits). For actual learning the extra stuff probably doesn't matter all that much (BA covers LLCs/partnerships/etc in addition to corps). But as a counterpoint even corps isn't all that useful.

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Icculus » Tue Oct 23, 2012 11:26 pm

bk1 wrote:
dolfan0516 wrote:Is there a reason to take BA over corporations?


The prof and it's a semester rather than quarter (so more credits). For actual learning the extra stuff probably doesn't matter all that much (BA covers LLCs/partnerships/etc in addition to corps). But as a counterpoint even corps isn't all that useful.


+1

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby dolfan0516 » Tue Oct 23, 2012 11:31 pm

bk1 wrote:
dolfan0516 wrote:Is there a reason to take BA over corporations?


The prof and it's a semester rather than quarter (so more credits). For actual learning the extra stuff probably doesn't matter all that much (BA covers LLCs/partnerships/etc in addition to corps). But as a counterpoint even corps isn't all that useful.


The credits are 2.5 vs. 3 for BA. Will that difference ever come into play? Will it look bad if I went with corporations instead of BA, especially if I think I'm leaning more towards transactional? Looking at the CTECs, the corporations professor seems like she would be a better choice. I heard BA is a prereq for a lot of classes, is corporations not a prereq?

Thanks for the help

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby IAFG » Tue Oct 23, 2012 11:31 pm

pah1664 wrote:How well do NU grads break into midsize Midwestern markets without family connections?

It's hard for anyone to break into midsize midwestern markets. Do you have plausible non-family ties?

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby IAFG » Tue Oct 23, 2012 11:33 pm

dolfan0516 wrote:
bk1 wrote:
dolfan0516 wrote:Is there a reason to take BA over corporations?


The prof and it's a semester rather than quarter (so more credits). For actual learning the extra stuff probably doesn't matter all that much (BA covers LLCs/partnerships/etc in addition to corps). But as a counterpoint even corps isn't all that useful.


The credits are 2.5 vs. 3 for BA. Will that difference ever come into play? Will it look bad if I went with corporations instead of BA, especially if I think I'm leaning more towards transactional? Looking at the CTECs, the corporations professor seems like she would be a better choice. I heard BA is a prereq for a lot of classes, is corporations not a prereq?

Thanks for the help

Neither corporations nor BA are really transactional classes. That's one of the biggest misconceptions out there.

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby bk1 » Tue Oct 23, 2012 11:41 pm

dolfan0516 wrote:The credits are 2.5 vs. 3 for BA. Will that difference ever come into play? Will it look bad if I went with corporations instead of BA, especially if I think I'm leaning more towards transactional? Looking at the CTECs, the corporations professor seems like she would be a better choice. I heard BA is a prereq for a lot of classes, is corporations not a prereq?

Thanks for the help


2.5 vs 3 isn't a big deal but taking a final earlier is a big diff.

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Eugenie Danglars » Tue Oct 23, 2012 11:51 pm

rinkrat19 wrote:
franklyscarlet wrote:
Icculus wrote:
Instead of CirPro II take employment discrimnation. My friend took it second semester last year, loved it, and did really well (it usually only as 20-30 students). I am taking it now and love it, plus Provenzano is just amazing overall.


I've heard that's awesome, but I don't see it on our list :-/
Provenzano teaches Employment Law, so maybe that's what he means?

ETA: nope, I'm just confused. nm


They're separate courses, although Employment touches a bit on discrimination. She teaches both. Take whatever you can from her. She's hands down the best.

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby crumpetsandtea » Wed Oct 24, 2012 1:17 am

Can't take 14th Amendment because it conflicts with my Tuesday Property class.

:(

Any other recommendations of Professors/classes to take?

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Flips88 » Wed Oct 24, 2012 1:27 am

If i'm doing a judicial externship and want to do 4 class on top of that, what are two classes/seminars next semester that should be easy as fuck? Probably taking two out the three of Civ Pro II, Fed Jur, BA so I need a couple cupcake classes

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Georgia Avenue » Wed Oct 24, 2012 1:52 am

Flips88 wrote:If i'm doing a judicial externship and want to do 4 class on top of that, what are two classes/seminars next semester that should be easy as fuck? Probably taking two out the three of Civ Pro II, Fed Jur, BA so I need a couple cupcake classes


Torts II, I'm telling you

Exam isn't easy by any means, but reading is light, it's uncurved, and A- and up is plentiful

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Flips88 » Wed Oct 24, 2012 2:05 am

Georgia Avenue wrote:
Flips88 wrote:If i'm doing a judicial externship and want to do 4 class on top of that, what are two classes/seminars next semester that should be easy as fuck? Probably taking two out the three of Civ Pro II, Fed Jur, BA so I need a couple cupcake classes


Torts II, I'm telling you

Exam isn't easy by any means, but reading is light, it's uncurved, and A- and up is plentiful

At the same time as civ pro 2 and I think i've had my fill of the shap daddy for now

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby roranoa » Wed Oct 24, 2012 3:43 am

Did any of you at NU have trouble studying at 1L after a long hiatus of NOT studying? (I'm asking here assuming a lot of students here have WE)

I was wondering if your learning ability decreases as you get older (which is kind of true scientifically speaking).

And is there anyone who had trouble studying during 1L because it was just plain hard? For example, having a hard time understanding the text, taking too long to do assignments and all.

Any experiences you can share would be very helpful!

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby 09042014 » Wed Oct 24, 2012 4:00 am

roranoa wrote:Did any of you at NU have trouble studying at 1L after a long hiatus of NOT studying? (I'm asking here assuming a lot of students here have WE)

I was wondering if your learning ability decreases as you get older (which is kind of true scientifically speaking).

And is there anyone who had trouble studying during 1L because it was just plain hard? For example, having a hard time understanding the text, taking too long to do assignments and all.

Any experiences you can share would be very helpful!


Law itself, especially 1L classes isn't particularly hard to understand. And the work load isn't very high. If you are used to working 9-5, and have the willpower to continue doing that, but in law school instead, you'll be more than fine.

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby roranoa » Wed Oct 24, 2012 4:07 am

Desert Fox wrote:
roranoa wrote:Did any of you at NU have trouble studying at 1L after a long hiatus of NOT studying? (I'm asking here assuming a lot of students here have WE)

I was wondering if your learning ability decreases as you get older (which is kind of true scientifically speaking).

And is there anyone who had trouble studying during 1L because it was just plain hard? For example, having a hard time understanding the text, taking too long to do assignments and all.

Any experiences you can share would be very helpful!


Law itself, especially 1L classes isn't particularly hard to understand. And the work load isn't very high. If you are used to working 9-5, and have the willpower to continue doing that, but in law school instead, you'll be more than fine.


Then is most of the stuff on ONE L (the book) exaggerated? (or maybe this is just your idiosyncratic opinion of 1 L maybe?)

If 1L is not so hard why does everyone I know in LS tell that 1L bullsh*t?

What's the problem with 1L? Why is it hard to get good grades? (I mean, if it's not hard)

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Icculus » Wed Oct 24, 2012 7:50 am

roranoa wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:
roranoa wrote:Did any of you at NU have trouble studying at 1L after a long hiatus of NOT studying? (I'm asking here assuming a lot of students here have WE)

I was wondering if your learning ability decreases as you get older (which is kind of true scientifically speaking).

And is there anyone who had trouble studying during 1L because it was just plain hard? For example, having a hard time understanding the text, taking too long to do assignments and all.

Any experiences you can share would be very helpful!


Law itself, especially 1L classes isn't particularly hard to understand. And the work load isn't very high. If you are used to working 9-5, and have the willpower to continue doing that, but in law school instead, you'll be more than fine.


Then is most of the stuff on ONE L (the book) exaggerated? (or maybe this is just your idiosyncratic opinion of 1 L maybe?)

If 1L is not so hard why does everyone I know in LS tell that 1L bullsh*t?

What's the problem with 1L? Why is it hard to get good grades? (I mean, if it's not hard)


Law is not hard...the curve is what makes it hard to good grades. Just because you know the material does not mean you'll get an A. Your grade depends on how well others know the material and how good you are at taking a law school exam compared to other people.

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Blumpbeef » Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:28 am

Can 1Ls do ITP? What do people usually do for spring break?

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby rinkrat19 » Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:30 am

Blumpbeef wrote:Can 1Ls do ITP? What do people usually do for spring break?
ITP is only for 2Ls and 3Ls.

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby 09042014 » Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:44 am

roranoa wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:
roranoa wrote:Did any of you at NU have trouble studying at 1L after a long hiatus of NOT studying? (I'm asking here assuming a lot of students here have WE)

I was wondering if your learning ability decreases as you get older (which is kind of true scientifically speaking).

And is there anyone who had trouble studying during 1L because it was just plain hard? For example, having a hard time understanding the text, taking too long to do assignments and all.

Any experiences you can share would be very helpful!


Law itself, especially 1L classes isn't particularly hard to understand. And the work load isn't very high. If you are used to working 9-5, and have the willpower to continue doing that, but in law school instead, you'll be more than fine.


Then is most of the stuff on ONE L (the book) exaggerated? (or maybe this is just your idiosyncratic opinion of 1 L maybe?)

If 1L is not so hard why does everyone I know in LS tell that 1L bullsh*t?

What's the problem with 1L? Why is it hard to get good grades? (I mean, if it's not hard)


Those books are fear mongering. The biggest problem with 1L is stress. "You've got a third of million dollars riding on this shit, don't fuck!" Second, like someone else mentioned, it's curved. This isn't calculus where you are battle the objective correctness of your answer. You are battling to write a subjectively better answer than all your classsmates, who are just as smart, educated, and hardworking as you are. Third, you don't really know what will work for you.

Since law exams are 100% analysis and application based, knowing the material isn't really worth much. Not knowing it fucks you hard, but everyone knows it.

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby splitmuch » Wed Oct 24, 2012 2:54 pm

bk1 wrote:
dolfan0516 wrote:Is there a reason to take BA over corporations?


The prof and it's a semester rather than quarter (so more credits). For actual learning the extra stuff probably doesn't matter all that much (BA covers LLCs/partnerships/etc in addition to corps). But as a counterpoint even corps isn't all that useful.


The prof is NOT a reason to take BA over corp.

I highly recommend going the corp route. Not a lot of work. Uncurved. Easy test. And you get done a before finals/have more time to prep for your other finals.

Yeah its only 2.5 credits and you might not "learn" as much...but Im in M and A now with Lutz and don't think I'm at any disadvantage.

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby 09042014 » Wed Oct 24, 2012 3:04 pm

splitmuch wrote:
bk1 wrote:
dolfan0516 wrote:Is there a reason to take BA over corporations?


The prof and it's a semester rather than quarter (so more credits). For actual learning the extra stuff probably doesn't matter all that much (BA covers LLCs/partnerships/etc in addition to corps). But as a counterpoint even corps isn't all that useful.


The prof is NOT a reason to take BA over corp.

I highly recommend going the corp route. Not a lot of work. Uncurved. Easy test. And you get done a before finals/have more time to prep for your other finals.

Yeah its only 2.5 credits and you might not "learn" as much...but Im in M and A now with Lutz and don't think I'm at any disadvantage.


Corps is usually curved though.

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby crumpetsandtea » Wed Oct 24, 2012 3:16 pm

Thoughts on these classes/professors?

Law & Social Change with Len
Employment Law with Provenzano (I know Icculus really likes her, but more thoughts would be appreciated too!)
First Amendment with DeSanto
Legislation with Kitrosser

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby bk1 » Wed Oct 24, 2012 3:50 pm

splitmuch wrote:The prof is NOT a reason to take BA over corp.

I highly recommend going the corp route. Not a lot of work. Uncurved. Easy test. And you get done a before finals/have more time to prep for your other finals.

Yeah its only 2.5 credits and you might not "learn" as much...but Im in M and A now with Lutz and don't think I'm at any disadvantage.


Why would the prof not be a reason? People are asking about which classes to take and a lot of it hinges on who is teaching the class.

I wasn't saying that the person teaching one was necessarily better than the other, but I do think you should consider who teaches the class before deciding which to take. IIRC, last spring the corps prof was a new prof. Deciding between an untested prof and someone who is well liked (e.g. Reed) is an easy call, imo.

I'm not sure how the curve works for corps but unless it's the same prof teaching it I don't think you can categorically say that it is not a lot of work and the test is easy (though being done earlier is definitely a factor).

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Georgia Avenue » Wed Oct 24, 2012 3:58 pm

crumpetsandtea wrote:Thoughts on these classes/professors?

Law & Social Change with Len
Employment Law with Provenzano (I know Icculus really likes her, but more thoughts would be appreciated too!)
First Amendment with DeSanto
Legislation with Kitrosser


Wouldn't recommend Len's class as a 1L. Heard good things about 1st Amendment.

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Icculus » Wed Oct 24, 2012 4:07 pm

splitmuch wrote:
bk1 wrote:
dolfan0516 wrote:Is there a reason to take BA over corporations?


The prof and it's a semester rather than quarter (so more credits). For actual learning the extra stuff probably doesn't matter all that much (BA covers LLCs/partnerships/etc in addition to corps). But as a counterpoint even corps isn't all that useful.


The prof is NOT a reason to take BA over corp.

I highly recommend going the corp route. Not a lot of work. Uncurved. Easy test. And you get done a before finals/have more time to prep for your other finals.

Yeah its only 2.5 credits and you might not "learn" as much...but Im in M and A now with Lutz and don't think I'm at any disadvantage.


I think if you're talking curved corps w/ Presser or another prof vs. curved BA with Reed I would take BA. That said, given the opportunity to take an uncurved corps with the prof you had that would be the correct choice.




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