Northwestern 1L/2L/3L/Grads Taking Questions and Challenges

A forum for applicants and admitted students to ask law students and graduates about law school and the practice of law.
User avatar
homestyle28
Posts: 2312
Joined: Thu Jun 04, 2009 12:48 pm

Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby homestyle28 » Fri Aug 31, 2012 6:49 am

Also anyone have supplement suggestions for Admin or FedJur? The Chemerinsky conlaw bible was great, so is that just the obvious way to go for fedjur?

User avatar
Icculus
Posts: 1421
Joined: Tue Mar 02, 2010 12:02 am

Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Icculus » Fri Aug 31, 2012 9:17 am

homestyle28 wrote:
IAFG wrote:SUSIE IS PREGNANT TOO?!


Damn, ray gets around! amirite?


Ba dump bump. He'll be here all night ladies and gentlemen.

User avatar
bjsesq
TLS Poet Laureate
Posts: 13383
Joined: Fri Nov 19, 2010 3:02 am

Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby bjsesq » Fri Aug 31, 2012 11:42 am

homestyle28 wrote:Also anyone have supplement suggestions for Admin or FedJur?


Yeah: don't take them.

User avatar
Flips88
Posts: 13563
Joined: Sun Oct 10, 2010 7:42 pm

Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Flips88 » Fri Aug 31, 2012 12:39 pm

homestyle28 wrote:Also anyone have supplement suggestions for Admin or FedJur? The Chemerinsky conlaw bible was great, so is that just the obvious way to go for fedjur?

Didn't Pfander write the horn book?

User avatar
homestyle28
Posts: 2312
Joined: Thu Jun 04, 2009 12:48 pm

Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby homestyle28 » Fri Aug 31, 2012 12:45 pm

Flips88 wrote:
homestyle28 wrote:Also anyone have supplement suggestions for Admin or FedJur? The Chemerinsky conlaw bible was great, so is that just the obvious way to go for fedjur?

Didn't Pfander write the horn book?


Apparently, yes...but I had to google for like 10 full seconds to figure that out.

User avatar
Holly Golightly
Posts: 4618
Joined: Wed Jan 13, 2010 10:30 am

Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Holly Golightly » Fri Aug 31, 2012 2:37 pm

Icculus wrote:
rinkrat19 wrote:Like, what would be a bad topic of conversation with him?

Right now I can't imagine having any conversation more personal than "gosh, I really like the pretty courtyard" with any faculty. Maybe "what classes would you recommend?"


That will probably change. I don't really want to get into specifics here, but it's one of those things that Cliff is the dean of students so if you go to him with an issue/problem and there is a conflict between you and the school/school rules he will have to come out on the side of the school. However, bj is right that there are times where he can be an invaluable resource. this is especially true during exam time if any issues come up from technical to personal. He can be a great resource so long as you go to him at the right times.

Sometimes, people go to Cliff to say that little girls are being mean to them. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

User avatar
Holly Golightly
Posts: 4618
Joined: Wed Jan 13, 2010 10:30 am

Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Holly Golightly » Fri Aug 31, 2012 2:38 pm

homestyle28 wrote:Also anyone have supplement suggestions for Admin or FedJur? The Chemerinsky conlaw bible was great, so is that just the obvious way to go for fedjur?

The Admin E&E was fine, but personally I found out outlines and attack sheets to be much more useful.

User avatar
homestyle28
Posts: 2312
Joined: Thu Jun 04, 2009 12:48 pm

Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby homestyle28 » Fri Aug 31, 2012 2:48 pm

Holly Golightly wrote:
Icculus wrote:
rinkrat19 wrote:Like, what would be a bad topic of conversation with him?

Right now I can't imagine having any conversation more personal than "gosh, I really like the pretty courtyard" with any faculty. Maybe "what classes would you recommend?"


That will probably change. I don't really want to get into specifics here, but it's one of those things that Cliff is the dean of students so if you go to him with an issue/problem and there is a conflict between you and the school/school rules he will have to come out on the side of the school. However, bj is right that there are times where he can be an invaluable resource. this is especially true during exam time if any issues come up from technical to personal. He can be a great resource so long as you go to him at the right times.

Sometimes, people go to Cliff to say that little girls are being mean to them. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


There are no mean girls at NU, right?

User avatar
lgleye
Posts: 348
Joined: Mon Nov 14, 2011 5:41 pm

Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby lgleye » Sun Sep 02, 2012 5:25 pm

.
Last edited by lgleye on Sat Jul 05, 2014 1:52 pm, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
bk1
Posts: 18410
Joined: Sun Mar 14, 2010 7:06 pm

Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby bk1 » Sun Sep 02, 2012 5:33 pm

lgleye wrote:Hi:

Can't believe that law school starts so soon.....could anyone tell me the links to get at the final exam bank for our 1L courses? Thanks for your help.

https://www.law.northwestern.edu/librar ... ereserves/

These won't be useful to you for months.

User avatar
lgleye
Posts: 348
Joined: Mon Nov 14, 2011 5:41 pm

Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby lgleye » Sun Sep 02, 2012 5:55 pm

.
Last edited by lgleye on Sat Jul 05, 2014 1:52 pm, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
rinkrat19
Posts: 13915
Joined: Sat Sep 25, 2010 5:35 am

Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby rinkrat19 » Sun Sep 02, 2012 5:56 pm

lgleye wrote:
bk1 wrote:
lgleye wrote:Hi:

Can't believe that law school starts so soon.....could anyone tell me the links to get at the final exam bank for our 1L courses? Thanks for your help.

https://www.law.northwestern.edu/librar ... ereserves/

These won't be useful to you for months.


Thanks for the lightning response.... I just figured that by glancing at the exam, I could figure out whether the prof is BLL or "concept-driven". If BLL, then I can rely more on supplements.
Our log-ins won't let us access the exams yet.

User avatar
Samara
Posts: 3245
Joined: Wed May 11, 2011 4:26 pm

Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Samara » Sun Sep 02, 2012 5:59 pm

Case briefing seems largely pointless. amidoinitrite?

User avatar
rayiner
Posts: 6184
Joined: Thu Dec 11, 2008 11:43 am

Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby rayiner » Sun Sep 02, 2012 6:39 pm

Samara wrote:Case briefing seems largely pointless. amidoinitrite?


My view on this is probably somewhat contrary to the CW, but I briefed cases until October. It really helped me learn how to read cases quickly and efficiently. I tripled my reading speed between September and November while improving accuracy, and I think briefing had a lot to do with it.

Now whether you should read cases at all is another contentious topic. Some people swear by supplements. I don't retain anything from supplements--I have to read the cases and attach the rules to a story to remember them. I only use supplements at the outlining stage to verify my understanding. If you can accurately retain information from the supplements, then go for it, it takes a lot less time that way.

In general, play around with different studying techniques for the next month or two to see what works. At this stage developing an effective strategy is a more valuable use of your time than learning the law.

User avatar
Samara
Posts: 3245
Joined: Wed May 11, 2011 4:26 pm

Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Samara » Sun Sep 02, 2012 9:06 pm

rayiner wrote:In general, play around with different studying techniques for the next month or two to see what works. At this stage developing an effective strategy is a more valuable use of your time than learning the law.

This is definitely my goal. In fairness, I haven't really started in on the doctrinal classes yet, just CLR. We went over case briefing in CLR and my professor hammered home that there are several "correct" ways to state a case's holding, depending on what is most relevant to the point you are trying to make or case you are dealing with. Thus, it seems to make a lot more sense to "brief" cases in terms of the concept you are learning, rather than word vomiting all points from the case that might be relevant. Does that make sense? Am I describing outlining?

User avatar
bk1
Posts: 18410
Joined: Sun Mar 14, 2010 7:06 pm

Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby bk1 » Sun Sep 02, 2012 9:12 pm

rayiner wrote:In general, play around with different studying techniques for the next month or two to see what works. At this stage developing an effective strategy is a more valuable use of your time than learning the law.


I think this is the most important thing. Unlike rayiner, I stopped briefing about a week in. I stopped reading on time around 6 weeks (and then crammed a bunch of reading towards the end of the semester). I would use online briefs in case I got cold-called. I went to every class and then at the end of the semester spent a ton of time outlining/PTing. It worked for me but it's not for everyone.

User avatar
rayiner
Posts: 6184
Joined: Thu Dec 11, 2008 11:43 am

Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby rayiner » Sun Sep 02, 2012 9:27 pm

Samara wrote:
rayiner wrote:In general, play around with different studying techniques for the next month or two to see what works. At this stage developing an effective strategy is a more valuable use of your time than learning the law.

This is definitely my goal. In fairness, I haven't really started in on the doctrinal classes yet, just CLR. We went over case briefing in CLR and my professor hammered home that there are several "correct" ways to state a case's holding, depending on what is most relevant to the point you are trying to make or case you are dealing with. Thus, it seems to make a lot more sense to "brief" cases in terms of the concept you are learning, rather than word vomiting all points from the case that might be relevant. Does that make sense? Am I describing outlining?


Don't let what you learn in CLR leak into how you study for your other classes. Don't blow of CLR, because at the end of the day it's still basically curved and a B will bring you down, but do treat it as its own thing with its own rules.

User avatar
rayiner
Posts: 6184
Joined: Thu Dec 11, 2008 11:43 am

Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby rayiner » Sun Sep 02, 2012 9:29 pm

bk1 wrote:
rayiner wrote:In general, play around with different studying techniques for the next month or two to see what works. At this stage developing an effective strategy is a more valuable use of your time than learning the law.


I think this is the most important thing. Unlike rayiner, I stopped briefing about a week in. I stopped reading on time around 6 weeks (and then crammed a bunch of reading towards the end of the semester). I would use online briefs in case I got cold-called. I went to every class and then at the end of the semester spent a ton of time outlining/PTing. It worked for me but it's not for everyone.


I mean, I blew off the reading till the end too, but I wouldn't encourage people to do it. Frankly, because you learn how to study during the semester, one hour of reading is much more valuable in November than in September. But unless you're the type of person who can sit still and read 100 pages of a casebook in one sitting, you might want to spread things out.

User avatar
bk1
Posts: 18410
Joined: Sun Mar 14, 2010 7:06 pm

Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby bk1 » Sun Sep 02, 2012 9:45 pm

rayiner wrote:I mean, I blew off the reading till the end too, but I wouldn't encourage people to do it. Frankly, because you learn how to study during the semester, one hour of reading is much more valuable in November than in September. But unless you're the type of person who can sit still and read 100 pages of a casebook in one sitting, you might want to spread things out.


Agreed.

bdubs
Posts: 3729
Joined: Sat Feb 06, 2010 2:23 pm

Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby bdubs » Sun Sep 02, 2012 9:46 pm

rayiner wrote:
bk1 wrote:
rayiner wrote:In general, play around with different studying techniques for the next month or two to see what works. At this stage developing an effective strategy is a more valuable use of your time than learning the law.


I think this is the most important thing. Unlike rayiner, I stopped briefing about a week in. I stopped reading on time around 6 weeks (and then crammed a bunch of reading towards the end of the semester). I would use online briefs in case I got cold-called. I went to every class and then at the end of the semester spent a ton of time outlining/PTing. It worked for me but it's not for everyone.


I mean, I blew off the reading till the end too, but I wouldn't encourage people to do it. Frankly, because you learn how to study during the semester, one hour of reading is much more valuable in November than in September. But unless you're the type of person who can sit still and read 100 pages of a casebook in one sitting, you might want to spread things out.


IMO staying up to date on reading is not hard and is very worthwhile. If you leave it to the end the chances of not doing it or not absorbing anything are much higher. Having read everything made outlining, check listing, and PTs much easier for me to manage in the relatively short period before first semester finals. There was one class 2nd semester where I did put off a significant amount of reading until the end and it made studying for the test much more cumbersome (although it had no influence on my performance).

User avatar
Blumpbeef
Posts: 3814
Joined: Sat Sep 11, 2010 3:17 pm

Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Blumpbeef » Mon Sep 03, 2012 11:59 am

What legal dictionary should I get/does anyone have one to sell?

splitmuch
Posts: 968
Joined: Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:27 pm

Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby splitmuch » Mon Sep 03, 2012 12:11 pm

Blumpbeef wrote:What legal dictionary should I get/does anyone have one to sell?


Google.com. But if you insist ill gladly sell you my unused one

User avatar
Icculus
Posts: 1421
Joined: Tue Mar 02, 2010 12:02 am

Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Icculus » Mon Sep 03, 2012 12:29 pm

splitmuch wrote:
Blumpbeef wrote:What legal dictionary should I get/does anyone have one to sell?


Google.com. But if you insist ill gladly sell you my unused one


+1.

dolfan0516
Posts: 218
Joined: Sun Dec 11, 2011 10:26 pm

Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby dolfan0516 » Mon Sep 03, 2012 4:11 pm

I have four classes tomorrow. Do I really need to bring the books for all of the classes?

Bumi
Posts: 947
Joined: Sun Jul 25, 2010 4:57 pm

Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Bumi » Mon Sep 03, 2012 4:29 pm

dolfan0516 wrote:I have four classes tomorrow. Do I really need to bring the books for all of the classes?


You need your casebooks in your doctrinal classes.

You almost certainly don't need to bring your CLR book to that class, but you should also already know what that professor expects.




Return to “Ask a Law Student / Graduate”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests