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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Flips88 » Mon Jul 16, 2012 8:52 pm

D-hops wrote:
Flips88 wrote:So what is the recommended schedule if you take ITA since it's 10 credits but only 8 hours of class. Add one extra for 13 credits but 11 hours or add 2 for 16 credits but 14 hours?


I wouldn't recommend taking 16 credit hours first semester of 2L year. That semester is enough of a clusterfuck without killing yourself with class on top of it.

So something like ITA + BA or IP would be manageable? I can't even begin to think of the horrors of ITA + Fed Jur, but man do i want to take it with Pfander.

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Eugenie Danglars » Mon Jul 16, 2012 9:16 pm

Flips88 wrote:
D-hops wrote:
Flips88 wrote:So what is the recommended schedule if you take ITA since it's 10 credits but only 8 hours of class. Add one extra for 13 credits but 11 hours or add 2 for 16 credits but 14 hours?


I wouldn't recommend taking 16 credit hours first semester of 2L year. That semester is enough of a clusterfuck without killing yourself with class on top of it.

So something like ITA + BA or IP would be manageable? I can't even begin to think of the horrors of ITA + Fed Jur, but man do i want to take it with Pfander.


Thinking about Tax with Cameron or Fed Jur with Pfander. Thoughts?

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby splitmuch » Mon Jul 16, 2012 9:21 pm

Eugenie Danglars wrote:
Thinking about Tax with Cameron or Fed Jur with Pfander. Thoughts?


I'm a section 1er, so I had Cameron for property. He was my favorite professor this year. However, a lot of people didn't like him.

He certainly has his own philosophies (which I don't necessarily agree with) but he really makes you think. He is an econ/numbers person, and I can only imagine that's heavier in tax than it was in property, so that is something to consider as well. Also, he can be sarcastic/seemingly abrasive so if you are sensitive to that sort of thing it is also not a good fit.

If that doesn't affect you, though, he is a rare (in law professors) combination of being clear and organized about what you should be learning while also challenging pre-conceptions and getting you to look at issues in different ways.

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby 09042014 » Mon Jul 16, 2012 9:30 pm

IP with Francis is a decent course. Hardest test I took in law school, but it was fair (covered exactly what we did on class). And he gave the gentlemen's A-. I highly recommend if it isn't curved.

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Flips88 » Mon Jul 16, 2012 9:36 pm

Eugenie Danglars wrote:
Thinking about Tax with Cameron or Fed Jur with Pfander. Thoughts?

Pfander was my Civ Pro prof. Great guy and knows everything about the subject ever. The only caution is if Fed Jur ends up with over 40, then he is forced to comply with the curve. When we had coffee with him, he said something to the extent that he wished he could not have to give anyone a grade in Fed Jur that would lower their gpa if it wasn't curved. Dunno how that would work out or if he'd stick to it.

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby homestyle28 » Mon Jul 16, 2012 9:38 pm

Flips88 wrote:
Eugenie Danglars wrote:
Thinking about Tax with Cameron or Fed Jur with Pfander. Thoughts?

Pfander was my Civ Pro prof. Great guy and knows everything about the subject ever. The only caution is if Fed Jur ends up with over 40, then he is forced to comply with the curve. When we had coffee with him, he said something to the extent that he wished he could not have to give anyone a grade in Fed Jur that would lower their gpa if it wasn't curved. Dunno how that would work out or if he'd stick to it.


This is the problem with our whole section having brain-crushes on pfander (including me) it's way too easy for that class to end up over 40.

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Georgia Avenue » Mon Jul 16, 2012 10:08 pm

Second what's been said on Pfander. Best instructor I've ever had, but the curve in that class will be absolutely brutal with a lot of really smart people in there. So, buyer beware if it's curved - if you can afford to eat a B+ then go for it.

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Icculus » Mon Jul 16, 2012 10:28 pm

splitmuch wrote:
Eugenie Danglars wrote:
Thinking about Tax with Cameron or Fed Jur with Pfander. Thoughts?


I'm a section 1er, so I had Cameron for property. He was my favorite professor this year. However, a lot of people didn't like him.

He certainly has his own philosophies (which I don't necessarily agree with) but he really makes you think. He is an econ/numbers person, and I can only imagine that's heavier in tax than it was in property, so that is something to consider as well. Also, he can be sarcastic/seemingly abrasive so if you are sensitive to that sort of thing it is also not a good fit.

If that doesn't affect you, though, he is a rare (in law professors) combination of being clear and organized about what you should be learning while also challenging pre-conceptions and getting you to look at issues in different ways.


100% Agreed. I would recommend taking a cameron class.

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Flips88 » Mon Jul 16, 2012 11:08 pm

For all Section 4ers, I recommend going to take a gander at Kleinfeld's CTECs. Ctrl + f'd "rape": 18 hits :lol: :lol: :lol:

Edit: actually i'll just say what other words showed up frequently

Rude: 8 hits
Condescending/Condescension: 13 hits
Midterm: 57 hits (not a lot of fans of that one)
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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Should I Transfer?? » Mon Jul 16, 2012 11:12 pm

Thinking about transferring to NU....anyone want to comment on how transfer students did at OCI last year? (stats: Midwest not so good T30, top 1%; 2 years non-profit WE; general ties to midwest; exclusively interested in Chicago market). Thanks.

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Postby IAFG » Mon Jul 16, 2012 11:33 pm

Should I Transfer?? wrote:Thinking about transferring to NU....anyone want to comment on how transfer students did at OCI last year? (stats: Midwest not so good T30, top 1%; 2 years non-profit WE; general ties to midwest; exclusively interested in Chicago market). Thanks.

$ at old school?

Honestly, you're going to have more opportunities to interview at NU. Unless you're confident you can scare up those interviews in some other way (CCBA, PLIP, great connections) you're probably better off moving.

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Georgia Avenue » Tue Jul 17, 2012 12:26 am

Flips88 wrote:For all Section 4ers, I recommend going to take a gander at Kleinfeld's CTECs. Ctrl + f'd "rape": 18 hits :lol: :lol: :lol:

Edit: actually i'll just say what other words showed up frequently

Rude: 8 hits
Condescending/Condescension: 13 hits
Midterm: 57 hits (not a lot of fans of that one)


"Front row" reference was A+ would read again.

Lot of people who need to get over themselves, though.

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Holly Golightly » Tue Jul 17, 2012 12:30 am

homestyle28 wrote:
Flips88 wrote:
Eugenie Danglars wrote:
Thinking about Tax with Cameron or Fed Jur with Pfander. Thoughts?

Pfander was my Civ Pro prof. Great guy and knows everything about the subject ever. The only caution is if Fed Jur ends up with over 40, then he is forced to comply with the curve. When we had coffee with him, he said something to the extent that he wished he could not have to give anyone a grade in Fed Jur that would lower their gpa if it wasn't curved. Dunno how that would work out or if he'd stick to it.


This is the problem with our whole section having brain-crushes on pfander (including me) it's way too easy for that class to end up over 40.


A few years ago, Pfander completely fucked over a decent portion of his civ pro class by giving a significant chunk of them discretionary Cs, so I wouldn't necessarily trust that...

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Flips88 » Tue Jul 17, 2012 12:32 am

Holly Golightly wrote:
A few years ago, Pfander completely fucked over a decent portion of his civ pro class by giving a significant chunk of them discretionary Cs, so I wouldn't necessarily trust that...

They probably had to suck pretty hard to get on the bad side of such a delightful man

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Holly Golightly » Tue Jul 17, 2012 1:35 am

Flips88 wrote:
Holly Golightly wrote:
A few years ago, Pfander completely fucked over a decent portion of his civ pro class by giving a significant chunk of them discretionary Cs, so I wouldn't necessarily trust that...

They probably had to suck pretty hard to get on the bad side of such a delightful man

And I wonder why people don't love this past year's 1L class more...

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby D-hops » Tue Jul 17, 2012 8:38 am

Flips88 wrote:
Holly Golightly wrote:
A few years ago, Pfander completely fucked over a decent portion of his civ pro class by giving a significant chunk of them discretionary Cs, so I wouldn't necessarily trust that...

They probably had to suck pretty hard to get on the bad side of such a delightful man


Just because you are delightful doesn't mean you won't curve fuck a bunch of 1Ls. I know a few professors who are IMO very nice but will minimize the grading curve.

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby splitmuch » Tue Jul 17, 2012 9:49 am

D-hops wrote:
Flips88 wrote:
Holly Golightly wrote:
A few years ago, Pfander completely fucked over a decent portion of his civ pro class by giving a significant chunk of them discretionary Cs, so I wouldn't necessarily trust that...

They probably had to suck pretty hard to get on the bad side of such a delightful man


Just because you are delightful doesn't mean you won't curve fuck a bunch of 1Ls. I know a few professors who are IMO very nice but will minimize the grading curve.


Should probably also add that Cameron is liable to do this as well.

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby bjsesq » Tue Jul 17, 2012 10:11 am

splitmuch wrote:
D-hops wrote:
Flips88 wrote:
Holly Golightly wrote:
A few years ago, Pfander completely fucked over a decent portion of his civ pro class by giving a significant chunk of them discretionary Cs, so I wouldn't necessarily trust that...

They probably had to suck pretty hard to get on the bad side of such a delightful man


Just because you are delightful doesn't mean you won't curve fuck a bunch of 1Ls. I know a few professors who are IMO very nice but will minimize the grading curve.


Should probably also add that Cameron is liable to do this as well.


Cameron: nice outside of school, really nice, but not so much in it.

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby rayiner » Tue Jul 17, 2012 10:40 am

D-hops wrote:
Flips88 wrote:
Holly Golightly wrote:
A few years ago, Pfander completely fucked over a decent portion of his civ pro class by giving a significant chunk of them discretionary Cs, so I wouldn't necessarily trust that...

They probably had to suck pretty hard to get on the bad side of such a delightful man


Just because you are delightful doesn't mean you won't curve fuck a bunch of 1Ls. I know a few professors who are IMO very nice but will minimize the grading curve.


On the flip side just because you can come off as harsh doesn't mean you don't max out the curve.

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby homestyle28 » Tue Jul 17, 2012 10:51 am

WTF is all this curve talk, I told myself all 1L year that I didn't have to worry bout this no mo'! Can't I just take "Law and Porn" for credit? Is there no Law and comic book class?

As a bonus: where's my secondary journal call?

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby splitmuch » Tue Jul 17, 2012 10:52 am

homestyle28 wrote:WTF is all this curve talk, I told myself all 1L year that I didn't have to worry bout this no mo'! Can't I just take "Law and Porn" for credit? Is there no Law and comic book class?

As a bonus: where's my secondary journal call?



Two issues, one solution.

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby 09042014 » Tue Jul 17, 2012 11:38 am

homestyle28 wrote:WTF is all this curve talk, I told myself all 1L year that I didn't have to worry bout this no mo'! Can't I just take "Law and Porn" for credit? Is there no Law and comic book class?

As a bonus: where's my secondary journal call?


a little effort in figuring out who is an easy grader means never having to work in law school again.

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby bjsesq » Tue Jul 17, 2012 11:42 am

Desert Fox wrote:
homestyle28 wrote:WTF is all this curve talk, I told myself all 1L year that I didn't have to worry bout this no mo'! Can't I just take "Law and Porn" for credit? Is there no Law and comic book class?

As a bonus: where's my secondary journal call?


a little effort in figuring out who is an easy grader means never having to work in law school again.


ahyup. Unless you plan on clerking, fuck taking any course that makes you work hard. You will be doing that in a couple years anyway.

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Georgia Avenue » Tue Jul 17, 2012 12:06 pm

Can we get a confirmed list of easy graders?

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Re: Northwestern 3Ls Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby rinkrat19 » Tue Jul 17, 2012 2:30 pm

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