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Re: Northwestern Students Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby homestyle28 » Thu Sep 29, 2011 11:56 am

Lieut Kaffee wrote:The last few posters ITT are misinformed. Northwestern just announced a new ED program whereby all applicants accepted this cycle via ED are awarded a $150,000 scholarship. So, an ED student would never pay more than ~$60k-70k in Cost of Living.

More importantly, a 164/3.3 has utterly no shot.


I've not heard this (but I'm not that plugged in, either) do you have a source/link?

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Re: Northwestern Students Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Lieut Kaffee » Thu Sep 29, 2011 12:22 pm

homestyle28 wrote:
Lieut Kaffee wrote:The last few posters ITT are misinformed. Northwestern just announced a new ED program whereby all applicants accepted this cycle via ED are awarded a $150,000 scholarship. So, an ED student would never pay more than ~$60k-70k in Cost of Living.

More importantly, a 164/3.3 has utterly no shot.


I've not heard this (but I'm not that plugged in, either) do you have a source/link?

I'm not sure the most official places to look, but I was told directly by a higher-up in the admissions office, then I made a post about it, and I was responded to with some links/confirmations.

Here

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Re: Northwestern Students Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby crumpetsandtea » Thu Sep 29, 2011 1:21 pm

homestyle28 wrote:
Lieut Kaffee wrote:The last few posters ITT are misinformed. Northwestern just announced a new ED program whereby all applicants accepted this cycle via ED are awarded a $150,000 scholarship. So, an ED student would never pay more than ~$60k-70k in Cost of Living.

More importantly, a 164/3.3 has utterly no shot.


I've not heard this (but I'm not that plugged in, either) do you have a source/link?

Get plugged in: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=162897 ;)

Also, source: https://plus.google.com/102552009136948752045/posts <-- Johann Lee's G+ page. Should be the first post, and the comment following.

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Re: Northwestern Students Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby bdubs » Thu Sep 29, 2011 1:37 pm

See my post above. OP knows (at least now) that the policy changed. It's just not clear what will happen to people who used to get in ED that wouldn't have gotten in RD (will they get in or not? Should they ED even if they have no shot at a full ride scholly?)

They (poster) just want to know if NU is worth sticker.

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Re: Northwestern Students Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Lieut Kaffee » Thu Sep 29, 2011 1:39 pm

bdubs wrote:See my post above. OP knows (at least now) that the policy changed. It's just not clear what will happen to people who used to get in ED that wouldn't have gotten in RD (will they get in or not? Should they ED even if they have no shot at a full ride scholly?) They just want to know if NU is worth sticker.


OP wrote:and the fact if I go ED NU can obligate me to pay full price with little or no incentive to give me any financial aid.

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Re: Northwestern Students Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Icculus » Thu Sep 29, 2011 1:44 pm

bdubs wrote:
chameleonia wrote:Did any of you apply ED and get money, or know if anyone applying ED gets money?


They revised the ED policy recently and will be offering full-ride scholarships to all accepted ED applicants. It's not clear what effect this will have on people who otherwise would have only gotten in ED.

PS - Are you a URM? If not you will have a tough time with ED(under the old system) unless your LSAT comes back at or above the level that you averaged on your PTs.

chameleonia wrote:Is NU worth 220-240k?

That's hard to answer without some info on your career goals. I doubt you would get much scholarship money from any T14 with a 3.3 (unless URM).

Lieut Kaffee wrote:The last few posters ITT are misinformed. Northwestern just announced a new ED program whereby all applicants accepted this cycle via ED are awarded a $150,000 scholarship. So, an ED student would never pay more than ~$60k-70k in Cost of Living.

More importantly, a 164/3.3 has utterly no shot.


Did you even read the previous posts? We already talked about the new policy, so OP is now informed.

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Re: Northwestern Students Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Lieut Kaffee » Thu Sep 29, 2011 1:51 pm

FWIW, this is what the OP said after he was "informed":

What I'm getting at w/ my question about whether or not NU is worth the $ isn't so much about holding out for scholarship money from other T14 schools, its more about comparing NU at full price to a respectable regional school (with a few strong specialties) for free (possible with a 170+ LSAT)

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Re: Northwestern Students Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby bdubs » Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:52 pm

Lieut Kaffee wrote:FWIW, this is what the OP said after he was "informed":

What I'm getting at w/ my question about whether or not NU is worth the $ isn't so much about holding out for scholarship money from other T14 schools, its more about comparing NU at full price to a respectable regional school (with a few strong specialties) for free (possible with a 170+ LSAT)


Don't see what is wrong with that. No question that OP will not be getting the ED "full ride" deal, so they are comparing what they might get (NU at sticker) to another possible choice (regional with sizable scholarship).

They will most likely not be committed to attend NU since they won't be admitted ED, but that doesn't really alter the question.

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Re: Northwestern Students Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Strange » Fri Oct 28, 2011 4:39 pm

Do any NU students want to help me make my decision as to whether or not to ED to NU (assuming I have shot?) as opposed to rolling the dice and see how much money I could get for a T10 school? PM me or answer me in here. I am basically aiming for biglaw and would be happy to work in Chicago. I know others are faced with the same decision :D

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Re: Northwestern Students Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby homestyle28 » Fri Oct 28, 2011 5:04 pm

Strange wrote:Do any NU students want to help me make my decision as to whether or not to ED to NU (assuming I have shot?) as opposed to rolling the dice and see how much money I could get for a T10 school? PM me or answer me in here. I am basically aiming for biglaw and would be happy to work in Chicago. I know others are faced with the same decision :D


I think recent evidence would suggest that NU's is a pretty decent bet for biglaw, if you get the ED you get to go for basically free meaning solid shot at biglaw with minimal debt. If you don't get it, it's not going to hurt your t10 chances for $$.

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Re: Northwestern Students Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Strange » Fri Oct 28, 2011 5:08 pm

homestyle28 wrote:
Strange wrote:Do any NU students want to help me make my decision as to whether or not to ED to NU (assuming I have shot?) as opposed to rolling the dice and see how much money I could get for a T10 school? PM me or answer me in here. I am basically aiming for biglaw and would be happy to work in Chicago. I know others are faced with the same decision :D


I think recent evidence would suggest that NU's is a pretty decent bet for biglaw, if you get the ED you get to go for basically free meaning solid shot at biglaw with minimal debt. If you don't get it, it's not going to hurt your t10 chances for $$.

I agree with all that. I just want to know, what's the increased chances of biglaw if you go further up the T10? Are MVP and N considered peers? Some have said 10%. I know you guys have heard these questions a million times but I'm really struggling with this... :D Thanks for your response though

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Re: Northwestern Students Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby IAFG » Fri Oct 28, 2011 5:14 pm

I personally think P > MV = N.

The problem with "rolling the dice" for money from MVP is that it's just a terrible bet. P is stingy as hell, V has only been taking EDers or in-staters the past couple cycles, and M is relatively unpredictable.

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Re: Northwestern Students Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby homestyle28 » Fri Oct 28, 2011 5:27 pm

Strange wrote:
homestyle28 wrote:
Strange wrote:Do any NU students want to help me make my decision as to whether or not to ED to NU (assuming I have shot?) as opposed to rolling the dice and see how much money I could get for a T10 school? PM me or answer me in here. I am basically aiming for biglaw and would be happy to work in Chicago. I know others are faced with the same decision :D


I think recent evidence would suggest that NU's is a pretty decent bet for biglaw, if you get the ED you get to go for basically free meaning solid shot at biglaw with minimal debt. If you don't get it, it's not going to hurt your t10 chances for $$.

I agree with all that. I just want to know, what's the increased chances of biglaw if you go further up the T10? Are MVP and N considered peers? Some have said 10%. I know you guys have heard these questions a million times but I'm really struggling with this... :D Thanks for your response though


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http://www.law.com/jsp/nlj/PubArticleNL ... slreturn=1
http://www.princetonreview.com/law-school-rankings.aspx

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Re: Northwestern Students Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby bk1 » Fri Oct 28, 2011 5:44 pm

IAFG wrote:I personally think P > MV = N.

The problem with "rolling the dice" for money from MVP is that it's just a terrible bet. P is stingy as hell, V has only been taking EDers or in-staters the past couple cycles, and M is relatively unpredictable.


Doesn't M have the most formulaic method of doling out money?

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Re: Northwestern Students Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby IAFG » Sat Oct 29, 2011 2:37 pm

bk1 wrote:
IAFG wrote:I personally think P > MV = N.

The problem with "rolling the dice" for money from MVP is that it's just a terrible bet. P is stingy as hell, V has only been taking EDers or in-staters the past couple cycles, and M is relatively unpredictable.


Doesn't M have the most formulaic method of doling out money?

Yes but I don't think they auto-admit as much as other t14s

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Re: Northwestern Students Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby rayiner » Mon Oct 31, 2011 1:10 pm

Strange wrote:Do any NU students want to help me make my decision as to whether or not to ED to NU (assuming I have shot?) as opposed to rolling the dice and see how much money I could get for a T10 school? PM me or answer me in here. I am basically aiming for biglaw and would be happy to work in Chicago. I know others are faced with the same decision :D


If you've got a shot at $150k at NU, you've got a good shot at HYS, and will probably get CCN with solid money. I don't see the case for Michigan/Virginia in that situation. They won't give you as much money as NU and I don't think their job prospects are at all better.

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Re: Northwestern Students Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby bk1 » Mon Oct 31, 2011 1:24 pm

2L's/3L's: recommendations for elective classes and/or profs?

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Re: Northwestern Students Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby rayiner » Mon Oct 31, 2011 1:30 pm

bk1 wrote:2L's/3L's: recommendations for elective classes and/or profs?


Profs: Ezra Friedman, Tonja Jacobi, Michael Barsa, Shari Diamond, Jim Speta, Jim Speta, Jim Speta.

Classes: Admin, Natural Resources/Enviro Law, Trademarks, Telecom.

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Re: Northwestern Students Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Eugenie Danglars » Mon Oct 31, 2011 4:54 pm

rayiner wrote:
bk1 wrote:2L's/3L's: recommendations for elective classes and/or profs?


Profs: Ezra Friedman, Tonja Jacobi, Michael Barsa, Shari Diamond, Jim Speta, Jim Speta, Jim Speta.

Classes: Admin, Natural Resources/Enviro Law, Trademarks, Telecom.


Friedman only if you like/speak econ. I don't, and it makes it hard to keep up with him sometimes.

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Re: Northwestern Students Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby bjsesq » Mon Oct 31, 2011 5:04 pm

Eugenie Danglars wrote:
rayiner wrote:
bk1 wrote:2L's/3L's: recommendations for elective classes and/or profs?


Profs: Ezra Friedman, Tonja Jacobi, Michael Barsa, Shari Diamond, Jim Speta, Jim Speta, Jim Speta.

Classes: Admin, Natural Resources/Enviro Law, Trademarks, Telecom.


Friedman only if you like/speak econ. I don't, and it makes it hard to keep up with him sometimes.


You're welcome for the high jump bar.

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Re: Northwestern Students Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Eugenie Danglars » Mon Oct 31, 2011 5:09 pm

bjsesq wrote:
You're welcome for the high jump bar.


bwahaha. so true.

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Re: Northwestern Students Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby Holly Golightly » Mon Oct 31, 2011 5:10 pm

rayiner wrote:
bk1 wrote:2L's/3L's: recommendations for elective classes and/or profs?


Profs: Ezra Friedman, Tonja Jacobi, Michael Barsa, Shari Diamond, Jim Speta, Jim Speta, Jim Speta.

Classes: Admin, Natural Resources/Enviro Law, Trademarks, Telecom.

Ew, Admin blows. (I think. I never actually attend or read for that class.)

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Re: Northwestern Students Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby 09042014 » Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:56 pm

Holly Golightly wrote:
rayiner wrote:
bk1 wrote:2L's/3L's: recommendations for elective classes and/or profs?


Profs: Ezra Friedman, Tonja Jacobi, Michael Barsa, Shari Diamond, Jim Speta, Jim Speta, Jim Speta.

Classes: Admin, Natural Resources/Enviro Law, Trademarks, Telecom.

Ew, Admin blows. (I think. I never actually attend or read for that class.)


Holy shit I forgot im in that class.

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Re: Northwestern Students Taking Questions and Challenges

Postby rayiner » Mon Oct 31, 2011 11:23 pm

Holly Golightly wrote:
rayiner wrote:
bk1 wrote:2L's/3L's: recommendations for elective classes and/or profs?


Profs: Ezra Friedman, Tonja Jacobi, Michael Barsa, Shari Diamond, Jim Speta, Jim Speta, Jim Speta.

Classes: Admin, Natural Resources/Enviro Law, Trademarks, Telecom.

Ew, Admin blows. (I think. I never actually attend or read for that class.)


I thought it was one of the more interesting classes, at least partly because the casebook is relatively good.

Also: Conflict of Laws with Pfander.

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