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Postby ph14 » Sun Feb 26, 2012 9:01 pm

What do you guys think about the Harvard Legal Aid Bureau and Board of Student Advisers?

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Postby euskadi » Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:08 am

For those of you who attended previous years' ASWs, how did you dress for the main dinner? I don't want to have to check a bag, but, if it's a touch more formal, I'll need a bit more space. I'm hoping I can get buy with something more casual (sweater/shirt/chinos). Muchas gracias in advance.

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Postby englawyer » Tue Feb 28, 2012 3:22 am

euskadi wrote:For those of you who attended previous years' ASWs, how did you dress for the main dinner? I don't want to have to check a bag, but, if it's a touch more formal, I'll need a bit more space. I'm hoping I can get buy with something more casual (sweater/shirt/chinos). Muchas gracias in advance.


casual-ish works just fine

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Postby LaCumparsita » Wed Feb 29, 2012 6:11 am

Housing questions: do you guys recommend HLS housing or Harvard Graduate housing? I've heard it's nice to get away from law students since you already see them in class all day, but then again it might be easier to join study groups if I live with law students...

If HLS housing, I was thinking North, because it seems to be the chillest of the HLS dorms.
If Graduate, I was thinking Peabody... is Peabody graduate only or also undergrad? If undergrad as well, are there any other cheap options for furnished graduate-only housing? Thanks!!

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Postby jbs017 » Wed Feb 29, 2012 9:28 am

LaCumparsita wrote:Housing questions: do you guys recommend HLS housing or Harvard Graduate housing? I've heard it's nice to get away from law students since you already see them in class all day, but then again it might be easier to join study groups if I live with law students...

If HLS housing, I was thinking North, because it seems to be the chillest of the HLS dorms.
If Graduate, I was thinking Peabody... is Peabody graduate only or also undergrad? If undergrad as well, are there any other cheap options for furnished graduate-only housing? Thanks!!


Peabody is graduate-only. However, not sure if you're aware that it's at least a 20 minute walk to HLS. There's a shuttle nearby but then you've got to worry about timing, and it won't be that much shorter. I don't think you'd have to worry about seeing very many other law students there.

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Postby freestallion » Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:35 am

Can anyone tell me if there are opportunities to do externships at non-profits/government organizations for 1 semester? Other schools have really good programs for externships in the US and abroad but I can't find much about whether Harvard has such opportunities.

I've spoken to a couple of students who've told me that there aren't really a lot of externship opportunities. I find it really weird/ironic considering Harvard's hosting a conference ON externships... (http://www.law.harvard.edu/calendar/?tr ... 3d98323227). Seriously?

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Postby acrossthelake » Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:01 pm

LaCumparsita wrote:Housing questions: do you guys recommend HLS housing or Harvard Graduate housing? I've heard it's nice to get away from law students since you already see them in class all day, but then again it might be easier to join study groups if I live with law students...

If HLS housing, I was thinking North, because it seems to be the chillest of the HLS dorms.
If Graduate, I was thinking Peabody... is Peabody graduate only or also undergrad? If undergrad as well, are there any other cheap options for furnished graduate-only housing? Thanks!!


I recommend apartments, personally, but it really depends on whether you feel like living with communal spaces (kitchens, etc.). I wouldn't worry about being able to join study groups if you live away from law students. Just start your own. It's not hard to make friends in the section setup.

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Postby Doorkeeper » Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:14 pm

freestallion wrote:Can anyone tell me if there are opportunities to do externships at non-profits/government organizations for 1 semester? Other schools have really good programs for externships in the US and abroad but I can't find much about whether Harvard has such opportunities.

I've spoken to a couple of students who've told me that there aren't really a lot of externship opportunities. I find it really weird/ironic considering Harvard's hosting a conference ON externships... (http://www.law.harvard.edu/calendar/?tr ... 3d98323227). Seriously?


Not an HLS student, but I work in fed gov and we had a HLS student intern in our office for spring semester under Harvard's internship in DC program. Basically you intern 9-5 and then take a class or two at night for the semester from adjuncts who live/work in DC.

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Postby captainwasabi09 » Wed Feb 29, 2012 3:03 pm

Where can I get more information about religious services around Harvard? My undergrad gave us a whole list when we came in, but I doubt a law school would do that.

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Postby freestallion » Wed Feb 29, 2012 3:38 pm

Doorkeeper wrote:
freestallion wrote:Can anyone tell me if there are opportunities to do externships at non-profits/government organizations for 1 semester? Other schools have really good programs for externships in the US and abroad but I can't find much about whether Harvard has such opportunities.

I've spoken to a couple of students who've told me that there aren't really a lot of externship opportunities. I find it really weird/ironic considering Harvard's hosting a conference ON externships... (http://www.law.harvard.edu/calendar/?tr ... 3d98323227). Seriously?


Not an HLS student, but I work in fed gov and we had a HLS student intern in our office for spring semester under Harvard's internship in DC program. Basically you intern 9-5 and then take a class or two at night for the semester from adjuncts who live/work in DC.

Thanks! Yeah, it seems like they do have one program where you can work in DC. I'm wondering if it's only in government though or if you have some flexibility in where to extern.

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Postby ph14 » Wed Feb 29, 2012 6:35 pm

captainwasabi09 wrote:Where can I get more information about religious services around Harvard? My undergrad gave us a whole list when we came in, but I doubt a law school would do that.


Probably contact a student organization. There is a Jewish Law Students Association, a Christian Law Students club, etc.

http://www.law.harvard.edu/current/orgs ... index.html

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Postby roranoa » Thu Mar 01, 2012 8:14 am

Do you think the LSAT is a good indicator of how well people will do in Law school?

Assuming that most people got at least a 172 to get into Harvard, by theory most students should be doing well at that school. I mean unless those people who suddenly got lazy or got health problems or didn't do enough studying for whatever reason.

What do you guys think. Do you think most people who got into to Harvard usually do well their given that they do a decent amount of work?

Are there people who have trouble with their reading and/or writing at Harvard?(Maybe some international students?)

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Postby Blessedassurance » Thu Mar 01, 2012 9:32 am

roranoa wrote:Do you think the LSAT is a good indicator of how well people will do in Law school?

Assuming that most people got at least a 172 to get into Harvard, by theory most students should be doing well at that school. I mean unless those people who suddenly got lazy or got health problems or didn't do enough studying for whatever reason.

What do you guys think. Do you think most people who got into to Harvard usually do well their given that they do a decent amount of work?

Are there people who have trouble with their reading and/or writing at Harvard?(Maybe some international students?)


You understand the dynamics of curved grading, I presume?

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Postby roranoa » Thu Mar 01, 2012 10:12 am

Blessedassurance wrote:
roranoa wrote:Do you think the LSAT is a good indicator of how well people will do in Law school?

Assuming that most people got at least a 172 to get into Harvard, by theory most students should be doing well at that school. I mean unless those people who suddenly got lazy or got health problems or didn't do enough studying for whatever reason.

What do you guys think. Do you think most people who got into to Harvard usually do well their given that they do a decent amount of work?

Are there people who have trouble with their reading and/or writing at Harvard?(Maybe some international students?)


You understand the dynamics of curved grading, I presume?


Oh, yes of course. But what I wanted to ask was whether doing well on the LSAT is a reliable indicator of doing well in law school. What do you think? Of course, because the grades are curved, there must be some people getting a C+ average but I'm sure even at Harvard some people don't try their best for whatever reason.

What I really want to know is whether there are people that DO try their best but don't get good grades and don't get employed, and maybe drop out even?

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Postby Blessedassurance » Thu Mar 01, 2012 10:19 am

roranoa wrote: Oh, yes of course. But what I wanted to ask was whether doing well on the LSAT is a reliable indicator of doing well in law school. What do you think? Of course, because the grades are curved, there must be some people getting a C+ average but I'm sure even at Harvard some people don't try their best for whatever reason.

What I really want to know is whether there are people that DO try their best but don't get good grades and don't get employed, and maybe drop out even?


I think it's not a reliable indicator. It's just better than the alternatives. Except of course considering the LSAT in tandem with gpa etc. I don't think there's any way to tell how you would do in relation to your classmates so there's no use worrying about it, really.

Why are you worried about jobs this early? It's not good for your health. Cheer up. Cheers.

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Postby acrossthelake » Thu Mar 01, 2012 4:47 pm

roranoa wrote:
Oh, yes of course. But what I wanted to ask was whether doing well on the LSAT is a reliable indicator of doing well in law school. What do you think? Of course, because the grades are curved, there must be some people getting a C+ average but I'm sure even at Harvard some people don't try their best for whatever reason.

What I really want to know is whether there are people that DO try their best but don't get good grades and don't get employed, and maybe drop out even?


The LSAT only really predicts how well you do...relative to other people? So it predicts someone with a 173 does better than someone with a 155. But considering the vast majority of Harvard Law students are somewhere in the high 160s up to 180, our band is too small for it to really predict much within that range.

There's less correlation between effort and grades than you think. I know people here who barely try and get great grades, and others who work really hard only to get all Ps. I got my better grades in the classes I showed up to least and where I had like entirely blank pages for lecture notes.

Employment here isn't quite as grades driven. A string of Low Passes is problematic, and you need top grades for the grade-picky firms and top clerkships etc, but for the average Harvard student your employment odds, at least for biglaw, rise and fall with your interviewing skills and background. If you have a banking/consulting background at top companies like Goldman and McKinsey, you can still go to really top firms with below median grades.

And I do know people who have gone on leave because they weren't happy with their grades.

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Postby roranoa » Thu Mar 01, 2012 7:50 pm

Blessedassurance wrote:
roranoa wrote: Oh, yes of course. But what I wanted to ask was whether doing well on the LSAT is a reliable indicator of doing well in law school. What do you think? Of course, because the grades are curved, there must be some people getting a C+ average but I'm sure even at Harvard some people don't try their best for whatever reason.

What I really want to know is whether there are people that DO try their best but don't get good grades and don't get employed, and maybe drop out even?


I think it's not a reliable indicator. It's just better than the alternatives. Except of course considering the LSAT in tandem with gpa etc. I don't think there's any way to tell how you would do in relation to your classmates so there's no use worrying about it, really.

Why are you worried about jobs this early? It's not good for your health. Cheer up. Cheers.


I'm not even in law school but I'm worried because a friend of mine who goes to CCN told me that his grades are not so good and says he's in trouble. He got a decent LSAT score and I considered him to be fairly intelligent if not brilliant so I'm worried if law school isn't right for me.

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Postby jbs017 » Fri Mar 02, 2012 9:22 am

Someone know about becoming a research assistant for a professor? Is that something people can do as 1Ls? In spring term of 1L? Or just as 2Ls and 3Ls?

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Postby splbagel » Fri Mar 02, 2012 11:58 am

jbs017 wrote:Someone know about becoming a research assistant for a professor? Is that something people can do as 1Ls? In spring term of 1L? Or just as 2Ls and 3Ls?


I've heard that some folks even do this in their 0L summer. Check out HLS administrative updates: http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/adup/

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Postby captainwasabi09 » Fri Mar 02, 2012 2:07 pm

freestallion wrote:
kulshan wrote:
thederangedwang wrote:+1...it sucks now actually cause whenever i screw up and/or say something stupid my friends will say "and YOU got into harvard" followed by a :roll:


This.

+1000


It's been two days since I got admitted and my sister has made a laundry list of the things I can't do even though I got into Harvard. Making jello is one of them

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Postby nametaken » Fri Mar 02, 2012 2:15 pm

captainwasabi09 wrote:
freestallion wrote:
kulshan wrote:
thederangedwang wrote:+1...it sucks now actually cause whenever i screw up and/or say something stupid my friends will say "and YOU got into harvard" followed by a :roll:


This.

+1000


It's been two days since I got admitted and my sister has made a laundry list of the things I can't do even though I got into Harvard. Making jello is one of them


Haha, my friends use this line on me about once a day. I got in about a month ago and it doesn't look like they will stop anytime soon, so get used to it! :)

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Postby Rudolph » Fri Mar 02, 2012 2:57 pm

nametaken wrote:Haha, my friends use this line on me about once a day. I got in about a month ago and it doesn't look like they will stop anytime soon, so get used to it! :)


My personal favorite is "Wow, you got into Harvard Law and I still kicked your ass at words with friends"

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Postby Cravin » Fri Mar 02, 2012 4:25 pm

In town early for ASW. Anyone recommend a good pub or a place for dinner?

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Postby Onthebrink » Sat Mar 10, 2012 2:51 am

acrossthelake wrote:
The Gentleman wrote:Any pro-tips for selling back fall textbooks/supplements/E&E's etc? The Coop said that they stopped buying used books in December. And Amazon is literally offering me $1 for my torts book. That's flat-out insulting . . .


If it's $1 there's probably a newer edition out. When that happens I just go lulz and never sell it back. I plan to try to sell my books to the incoming 0Ls.


Yes. Do this please haha!

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Postby acrossthelake » Sat Mar 10, 2012 7:58 pm

Onthebrink wrote:
acrossthelake wrote:
The Gentleman wrote:Any pro-tips for selling back fall textbooks/supplements/E&E's etc? The Coop said that they stopped buying used books in December. And Amazon is literally offering me $1 for my torts book. That's flat-out insulting . . .


If it's $1 there's probably a newer edition out. When that happens I just go lulz and never sell it back. I plan to try to sell my books to the incoming 0Ls.


Yes. Do this please haha!


Sure, feel free to PM me when your book list comes out. I have a couple books I'll list here that weren't section-specific, but I'll probably keep the books that were only assigned to my section to PM just to lower my out-ability.

Also, SHAMELESS PLUG:
My roommate and I are going to have a parking space really close to the law school to sublease. It's not on the street, so you have the benefit of not having to worry about street-cleaning and getting your car towed, which I've known to happen to an unfortunate number of people with cars they park on the street. It's also across the street from the law school.




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