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Re: Harvard Student(s) Answering Your Questions

Postby randytheaviator » Tue Nov 18, 2014 8:47 am

Does HLS award summa cum laude regularly?

I googled "summa cum laude Harvard Law" and the search came up with only several people got summa, ever (like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_Sargentich), which is contradictory with the official info on HLS site that shows that it is being awarded to the top student every year.

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Postby tomwatts » Tue Nov 18, 2014 9:08 am

NEdelton1987 wrote:What are clinics known to have light workloads?

As far as I know, none. Clinics in general are a ton of work, and there's a weekly hours requirement for the number of credits you're taking.

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Re: Harvard Student(s) Answering Your Questions

Postby tomwatts » Tue Nov 18, 2014 9:10 am

randytheaviator wrote:Does HLS award summa cum laude regularly?

I googled "summa cum laude Harvard Law" and the search came up with only several people got summa, ever (like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_Sargentich), which is contradictory with the official info on HLS site that shows that it is being awarded to the top student every year.

Yes, but it didn't under the old grades. Awarding summa every year was part of the grade reform, so there have been only 5 summa awards since then.

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Re: Harvard Student(s) Answering Your Questions

Postby jayohtee » Tue Nov 18, 2014 7:18 pm

Anyone know anything about Barnes' Law and Policy of Federal Funding Flows? Would it be a bad idea to take for 1L spring if I haven't had Admin Law?

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Re: Harvard Student(s) Answering Your Questions

Postby fats provolone » Tue Nov 18, 2014 7:45 pm

tomwatts wrote:
randytheaviator wrote:Does HLS award summa cum laude regularly?

I googled "summa cum laude Harvard Law" and the search came up with only several people got summa, ever (like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_Sargentich), which is contradictory with the official info on HLS site that shows that it is being awarded to the top student every year.

Yes, but it didn't under the old grades. Awarding summa every year was part of the grade reform, so there have been only 5 summa awards since then.

yea i sat next to a summa bro at the bar exam. very intimidating

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Re: Harvard Student(s) Answering Your Questions

Postby t-14orbust » Tue Nov 18, 2014 10:24 pm

Can I send outgoing packages through the mail center?

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Postby Mr. Elshal » Tue Nov 18, 2014 10:36 pm

t-14orbust wrote:Can I send outgoing packages through the mail center?


I know you can send letters if they're already stamped. Haven't tried a package but you could ask.

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Re: Harvard Student(s) Answering Your Questions

Postby tomwatts » Tue Nov 18, 2014 10:39 pm

jayohtee wrote:Anyone know anything about Barnes' Law and Policy of Federal Funding Flows? Would it be a bad idea to take for 1L spring if I haven't had Admin Law?

Admin Law almost certainly has nothing to do with it.
t-14orbust wrote:Can I send outgoing packages through the mail center?

Yes.
Individuals may arrange shipment of packages through the HLS Residential Mail Center. There is a scale in the Pound Mail Center that can be used to weigh packages to be shipped. Individuals must contact UPS, provide them with the required information (including weight of each package), arrange for payment, and leave the packages to be shipped. UPS will pick up packages at that location. For more information please ask the staff.

Presumably the reference to the "Pound" Mail Center is outdated and they mean the one in Wasserstein.

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Re: Harvard Student(s) Answering Your Questions

Postby Fred012 » Wed Nov 19, 2014 1:52 am

what r the most elite 1L jobs

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Postby NEdelton1987 » Wed Nov 19, 2014 7:30 am

Fred012 wrote:what r the most elite 1L jobs


Ones that are hardest to get (i.e., those that pays $2000+/week).

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Postby BlakcMajikc » Wed Nov 19, 2014 9:45 am

Fred012 wrote:what r the most elite 1L jobs



none.
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Postby Fred012 » Wed Nov 19, 2014 1:04 pm

firms?

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Postby EdSaid » Wed Nov 19, 2014 4:24 pm

Any recommendations for a good supplement for Admin law? I'm in Sunstein's right now (it's nowhere near as bad as people made it out to be, btw), but would like some recommendations if anyone has any. I already have the case brief book that's keyed to our textbook, but anything else people found helpful would be awesome.

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Postby fats provolone » Wed Nov 19, 2014 4:31 pm

i liked that class. i didn't use any supplements but you can have my outline if you want.

https://db.tt/Fk0i8Oqr

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Postby wwwcol » Wed Nov 19, 2014 4:32 pm

jayohtee wrote:Anyone know anything about Barnes' Law and Policy of Federal Funding Flows? Would it be a bad idea to take for 1L spring if I haven't had Admin Law?


I've heard it's as boring as it sounds. Horribly, horribly boring.

Mr. Elshal wrote:
t-14orbust wrote:Can I send outgoing packages through the mail center?


I know you can send letters if they're already stamped. Haven't tried a package but you could ask.


Yes you can send prepaid UPS/FedEx/USPS

NEdelton1987 wrote:
Fred012 wrote:what r the most elite 1L jobs


Ones that are hardest to get (i.e., those that pays $2000+/week).


Shame on you NEdelton for feeding the troll.

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Postby TripTrip » Thu Nov 20, 2014 2:04 pm

EdSaid wrote:Any recommendations for a good supplement for Admin law? I'm in Sunstein's right now (it's nowhere near as bad as people made it out to be, btw), but would like some recommendations if anyone has any. I already have the case brief book that's keyed to our textbook, but anything else people found helpful would be awesome.

Isn't there an E&E for admin law?
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Re: Harvard Student(s) Answering Your Questions

Postby NEdelton1987 » Mon Nov 24, 2014 12:40 pm

How much are research assistants paid on a hourly basis? Around $12/hour?

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Postby ph14 » Mon Nov 24, 2014 11:42 pm

NEdelton1987 wrote:How much are research assistants paid on a hourly basis? Around $12/hour?


$11.50, if i'm recalling correctly.

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Re: Harvard Student(s) Answering Your Questions

Postby malleus discentium » Mon Dec 01, 2014 12:26 am

For someone with median grades, is going to HLS alone enough ties for Boston? What about if I summer in another city for 1L? I have ties to nowhere but my home state, and I don't want to go back there yet. I'm not sold on working in NYC, so I've concluded that I need to use my 1L summer to create ties somewhere. I like Boston so far, and so if HLS is enough for ties here, I'd like to summer somewhere else so my options are: NYC, Boston and 1L summer city.

As a related question, I am a dumb and do not know how to start looking for PI things in Chicago. Any advice on where and what to look for? TYIA

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Postby pupshaw » Mon Dec 01, 2014 12:51 am

malleus discentium wrote:For someone with median grades, is going to HLS alone enough ties for Boston? What about if I summer in another city for 1L? I have ties to nowhere but my home state, and I don't want to go back there yet. I'm not sold on working in NYC, so I've concluded that I need to use my 1L summer to create ties somewhere. I like Boston so far, and so if HLS is enough for ties here, I'd like to summer somewhere else so my options are: NYC, Boston and 1L summer city.

As a related question, I am a dumb and do not know how to start looking for PI things in Chicago. Any advice on where and what to look for? TYIA


Can't speak to to Boston question, but on the second question you should go talk to OPIA. They're really helpful.

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Re: Harvard Student(s) Answering Your Questions

Postby acrossthelake » Mon Dec 01, 2014 1:05 am

malleus discentium wrote:For someone with median grades, is going to HLS alone enough ties for Boston? What about if I summer in another city for 1L? I have ties to nowhere but my home state, and I don't want to go back there yet. I'm not sold on working in NYC, so I've concluded that I need to use my 1L summer to create ties somewhere. I like Boston so far, and so if HLS is enough for ties here, I'd like to summer somewhere else so my options are: NYC, Boston and 1L summer city.

As a related question, I am a dumb and do not know how to start looking for PI things in Chicago. Any advice on where and what to look for? TYIA


There aren't enough Boston bids to take up your entire bidlist. You can safely do a NYC/Boston mix. You can also safely do a NYC/Boston/1L summer city list depending on what your 1L summer city is.

In general, DC is a beast, followed by SF/LA. Most markets other than NYC will want some sort of tie, and 1L summer may be a weak tie depending on the city.

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Re: Harvard Student(s) Answering Your Questions

Postby tomwatts » Mon Dec 01, 2014 4:04 am

I have heard that Boston firms think you're a flight risk if your only tie is HLS. Can't speak to this from my own experience, but I wouldn't be surprised if you got a lot of skepticism for staying in Boston if your only tie was HLS.

If I had to guess, I'd guess that that skepticism could be overcome with a good story about why you want to stay in Boston.

But given the heavy caveats to every sentence I just posted, I'll defer to someone else's greater information.

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Postby despina » Mon Dec 01, 2014 12:08 pm

I know a lot of folks who graduated over the last few years currently working in Boston firms with no ties beyond HLS. Not sure what an individual's odds are, but it's definitely common.

As for "PI things in Chicago" -- what kind of public interest? As you probably know, PI isn't really a category, so you might get more specific ideas if you tell us what you want to do. Legal services? Public defender / prosecutor's office? Impact litigation? Policy stuff? Or if you're not sure what type of work you want to do, is there a topic (environmental law, housing, etc) or population (immigrants, DV survivors, etc) that interests you? Thinking through this will also help OPIA help you. There's a TON of info on their website, so the more you can read through before you talk to them, the more they can tailor their advice to your plans.

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Re: Harvard Student(s) Answering Your Questions

Postby hlsperson1111 » Wed Dec 03, 2014 5:50 pm

WRT Boston, I think it depends on whether you are targeting RG/WH/GP or firms like Nutter, Choate, etc. I think it also depends on whether you have a plausible reason you want to practice in and stay in Boston. If you really want to shore up your ties, you can always spend 1L summer in Boston - it's a good way to signal that you're serious about practicing law here.

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Re: Harvard Student(s) Answering Your Questions

Postby delusional » Wed Dec 03, 2014 9:09 pm

hlsperson1111 wrote:WRT Boston, I think it depends on whether you are targeting RG/WH/GP or firms like Nutter, Choate, etc. I think it also depends on whether you have a plausible reason you want to practice in and stay in Boston. If you really want to shore up your ties, you can always spend 1L summer in Boston - it's a good way to signal that you're serious about practicing law here.
IME it could go either way. The smaller firms might be more anal about ties for "culture" reasons but they also rarely have a chance to hire a median Harvard student*, while Ropes, Wilmer and Goodwin can simply choose the forty interviewees who have ties.
I also think that it depends on the particular person or maybe the particular firm. I have heard straight from hiring partners' mouths that if you are interviewing with them, they assume you probably want to stay there. I have also heard enough rumors of people being dinged for "ties" to think there's something to it.

WRT the original question about median and Boston firms, I have heard that Wilmer is the most grade selective. I have also heard that median alone without other "shortcomings" (LOL) like poor interviewing or deficient resume or toenail fungus are not enough to make Boston difficult. I have many friends working in Boston, but oddly, none of them are the ones whose grades I know.

*(Which is unfortunate. And before you make assumptions about alumni you run across, I had a couple classmates who chose those firms after having offers from Wilmer, Ropes etc.)




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