Uh wow. I certainly hope that's not an accurate picture. And I don't think it is. I annotated your argument because it was just easier to respond that way.
esther0123 wrote:What does the career trajectory look like for HLS grads who are 6+ years out of law school? Here is what I understand (please correct me if I'm mistaken):
1. Legal market sucks right now. Getting better but yes lower ranked schools are suffering quite a bit, and their graduates cannot ensure a job out of LS.
2. HLS grads, if they so choose, can get Big Law fairly easily, though with varying degree of firm prestige. But in general, they get a job. Yeah pretty much
3. Big Law has a huge turn over an has a preference for younger associates. The legal market structure is set up so that older (5+ years) mid level associates are laid off to make room for fresh graduates. Repeat cycle. Not really. Well maybe but I'll be more specific. Most law firms would love to have associates stay 5,6,7 years. That's when you are most profitable. Most associates wash themselves out before that not the other way around
4. What I've gathered from searching through forums and online is that even HLS does not protect you past a certain point in your legal career (~5 years?). Really? If so this is shocking to me and highly concerning. Where are you hearing this? I mean you aren't going to make partner because your diploma says HLS but if the only advantage an HLS degree gives me is my 1st placement that's problematic And then, the majority of HLS grads disappear. This is a little dramatic. I mean they disappear in the sense that you can't find a bio for them on a V100 website site but presumably they don't end up "disappeared." Regardless, to assume that they all, most, or even many have unfavorable outcomes just cause you don't know the outcome is unwise They leave law, or stay in it while being underemployed (if not unemployed).
5. Essentially, even with HLS, you are likely to end up with "half a career" Likely? C'mon now.
Is this a fair assessment? I ask this because this just seems very gloomy, so I'm wondering if I've been receiving a biased view. Also, I find that current students and recent grads are very optimistic compared to alums. So I'd like to get some balanced opinion....
Thank you in advance for your help!
- Confused Admit.
Have you talked to HLS alums 5+ years out who aren't doing well and regret their decision? If so I'd love to hear more about why, what they are doing now etc. Look, I'm not a sunshine pumper about this place. I'm sure you can find people who have had bad outcomes. Particularly people who graduated between say 2006 and 2009. But to say a degree from one of the top 10 graduate school in the world gives you a half career strikes me as inaccurate. Also, and I don't have the data in front of me, but Harvard tracks this stuff. Something like 85% of HLS grads of the class of 2003 when surveyed 10 years out didn't regret their decision. TLS is an important place with important information for 0Ls. But it can still be overly gloom-n-doom about long term outcomes, particularly from HYS.
I don't have a large sample size and that's the problem!! I wish I had at least 10 different alumni (with at least 5 years of legal experience) that I could speak to, but HLS wasn't very helpful in identifying them for me either :S
That's why i ask on this forum hoping that someone else could provide me with a better insight. Someone who's "been there done that."
I have spoken to 1 alum who graduated during 2006-2009, who've told me about what the situation was like for him and his friends. It hasn't really improved for him or his friends since either getting no-offered after 2L summer/getting their offer rescinded/being laid off/leaving Big Law -- yes they are all HLS grads. They all have a job, but underemployed.
I have also spoken to another professional (not a lawyer) whose sons and 4 other family members are graduates of HLS. He also confirmed that HLS is good for getting your career's kickstart but its effect fades away after your first gig (or first two gigs).
And then, I see someting like this: http://www.jdunderground.com/all/thread ... post744821
ETA: But I was able to talk to various current students. All of them are very optimistic about their career outlook and the value of Harvard degree. I find the contrast between the view of current students vs. view of alumni interesting. I also reckon that my sample size is small and therefore, I take everything with a grain of salt. This doesn't help the fact that I'm confused.