Re: Harvard Student(s) Answering Your Questions
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This may very well be the case too. I just always imagined smaller markets that were in demand did not have hard grade cutoffs (or ones that were high enough to note), just that they were that much more competitive to get because, again, high demand and low supply. But yes, SF and DC firms I can absolutely see having grade cut offs at median or even higher than median. I have no way of knowing lol. From anecdotal evidence though, I think slightly below median is not a cutoff for most of Cali/LA. I know a number of people with median and below median grades who landed a lot of offers from LA firms.acrossthelake wrote:Below median is pretty difficult to swing in basically all of the D.C. market, and certainly doesn't make NorCal or L.A. any easier, which doesn't include the firms listed so far. If you didn't do D.C, NorCal, or L.A., then it probably seemed like "very few" firms had grade cutoffs, while if you did, it probably seemed like many did. Most top NYC law firms don't have grade cutoffs, but medium-tier D.C. firms certainly still do.
But, outside of W&C, DC firms will look past grades if the candidate has a great resume and great interviewing skills -- that's what makes blanket statements about the job market kind of hit or miss.acrossthelake wrote:Below median is pretty difficult to swing in basically all of the D.C. market, and certainly doesn't make NorCal or L.A. any easier, which doesn't include the firms listed so far. If you didn't do D.C, NorCal, or L.A., then it probably seemed like "very few" firms had grade cutoffs, while if you did, it probably seemed like many did. Most top NYC law firms don't have grade cutoffs, but medium-tier D.C. firms certainly still do.
You should be able to find out now. Just click on the "Waitlist" button in HELIOS. I suspect that Transactional will move a decent amount, but I can't say that I know for sure.Mr. Elshal wrote:Does anyone know how much waitlist movement there is for clinics? I put Transactional first and didn't get it, but now I'm not sure how to structure the rest of my schedule. (Not sure where I am on the waitlist yet, but presumably I will find that out later today)
Ha. I did this too. Course I hogged it.TripTrip wrote:I've been compiling some OCS data. Here's a few quick stats on HLS's EIPs 2010-2012:
Percentage Bid-->Interview: 69.76%
Percentage Interview-->CBO: 40.22%
Percentage CBO-->CBA: 67.04%
Percentage CBA-->Offer: 65.77%
Percentage Bid-->Offer: 12.37%
Percentage Interview-->Offer: 17.74%
This isn't really in response to any particular question, I just assume this is the Harvard General Knowledge thread now.
It would be interesting to know the distribution here.wert3813 wrote:Ha. I did this too. Course I hogged it.TripTrip wrote:I've been compiling some OCS data. Here's a few quick stats on HLS's EIPs 2010-2012:
Percentage Bid-->Interview: 69.76%
Percentage Interview-->CBO: 40.22%
Percentage CBO-->CBA: 67.04%
Percentage CBA-->Offer: 65.77%
Percentage Bid-->Offer: 12.37%
Percentage Interview-->Offer: 17.74%
This isn't really in response to any particular question, I just assume this is the Harvard General Knowledge thread now.
Yeah by market would be really enlightening.ph14 wrote:It would be interesting to know the distribution here.wert3813 wrote:Ha. I did this too. Course I hogged it.TripTrip wrote:I've been compiling some OCS data. Here's a few quick stats on HLS's EIPs 2010-2012:
Percentage Bid-->Interview: 69.76%
Percentage Interview-->CBO: 40.22%
Percentage CBO-->CBA: 67.04%
Percentage CBA-->Offer: 65.77%
Percentage Bid-->Offer: 12.37%
Percentage Interview-->Offer: 17.74%
This isn't really in response to any particular question, I just assume this is the Harvard General Knowledge thread now.
Don't know Coates for Corp but he did teach one version that was in part taught with the business school. I heard that one was a joke. Easy but you didn't learn as much law because it was with business students. Generally a softball class.Mr. Elshal wrote:Has anyone taken Corps with Fried or Coates? Or Tax with Halperin, Kaplow, or Shay? I know all these professors have horrible reviews but is it worth waiting until Spring 2015 to take Corps or Taxes just to avoid these guys? I have already taken Corporations and Taxation in undergrad, so I do have some background in the material.
I've heard that Fried was decent for corporations. The casebook he uses isn't that great. But you should be okay especially with some business background.DoubleChecks wrote:Don't know Coates for Corp but he did teach one version that was in part taught with the business school. I heard that one was a joke. Easy but you didn't learn as much law because it was with business students. Generally a softball class.Mr. Elshal wrote:Has anyone taken Corps with Fried or Coates? Or Tax with Halperin, Kaplow, or Shay? I know all these professors have horrible reviews but is it worth waiting until Spring 2015 to take Corps or Taxes just to avoid these guys? I have already taken Corporations and Taxation in undergrad, so I do have some background in the material.
Halperin I've always heard bad things about, but I know friends who took Kaplow and liked him. I don't think the horrible reviews for Kaplow are warranted.
Kaplow has pretty decent reviews. Not Alvin Warren-level reviews, but good reviews.Mr. Elshal wrote:Has anyone taken Corps with Fried or Coates? Or Tax with Halperin, Kaplow, or Shay? I know all these professors have horrible reviews but is it worth waiting until Spring 2015 to take Corps or Taxes just to avoid these guys? I have already taken Corporations and Taxation in undergrad, so I do have some background in the material.
I ran this analysis for every firm I bid on at EIP. The bid/interview ratio determined my bid preferences. The CBA/offer ratio was a means of elimination for the firms in a geographically distant market; I was only going to be able to go to a few callbacks there, and I refused to do any where the odds of getting an offer were too low, so I didn't even bid on them. Occasionally the interview/CBO offer was another means of elimination (didn't want too many where the likelihood of a callback was too low), and the CBO/CBA offer at least raised my eyebrows: if they were giving a ton of callback offers but no one was accepting, I wanted to know why.ph14 wrote:It would be interesting to know the distribution here.wert3813 wrote:Ha. I did this too. Course I hogged it.TripTrip wrote:I've been compiling some OCS data. Here's a few quick stats on HLS's EIPs 2010-2012:
Percentage Bid-->Interview: 69.76%
Percentage Interview-->CBO: 40.22%
Percentage CBO-->CBA: 67.04%
Percentage CBA-->Offer: 65.77%
Percentage Bid-->Offer: 12.37%
Percentage Interview-->Offer: 17.74%
This isn't really in response to any particular question, I just assume this is the Harvard General Knowledge thread now.
I had Shay for PSW, so perhaps the experience in his Tax class is different, but I will say he was extremely boring during PSW. He liked to repeat himself an excessive number of times and often brought up anecdotes that were a) not particularly relevant to the subject and b) boring. I think it would be a struggle to take a subject like Tax with him.Mr. Elshal wrote:Has anyone taken Corps with Fried or Coates? Or Tax with Halperin, Kaplow, or Shay? I know all these professors have horrible reviews but is it worth waiting until Spring 2015 to take Corps or Taxes just to avoid these guys? I have already taken Corporations and Taxation in undergrad, so I do have some background in the material.
I did offer to cbo once by market. nyc was 1 and texas was 2. Course that is no surprise and I can't remember after that and I don't have time to redo because I haven't done shit this year for exams. Helpful i know.tomwatts wrote:Kaplow has pretty decent reviews. Not Alvin Warren-level reviews, but good reviews.Mr. Elshal wrote:Has anyone taken Corps with Fried or Coates? Or Tax with Halperin, Kaplow, or Shay? I know all these professors have horrible reviews but is it worth waiting until Spring 2015 to take Corps or Taxes just to avoid these guys? I have already taken Corporations and Taxation in undergrad, so I do have some background in the material.I ran this analysis for every firm I bid on at EIP. The bid/interview ratio determined my bid preferences. The CBA/offer ratio was a means of elimination for the firms in a geographically distant market; I was only going to be able to go to a few callbacks there, and I refused to do any where the odds of getting an offer were too low, so I didn't even bid on them. Occasionally the interview/CBO offer was another means of elimination (didn't want too many where the likelihood of a callback was too low), and the CBO/CBA offer at least raised my eyebrows: if they were giving a ton of callback offers but no one was accepting, I wanted to know why.ph14 wrote:It would be interesting to know the distribution here.wert3813 wrote:Ha. I did this too. Course I hogged it.TripTrip wrote:I've been compiling some OCS data. Here's a few quick stats on HLS's EIPs 2010-2012:
Percentage Bid-->Interview: 69.76%
Percentage Interview-->CBO: 40.22%
Percentage CBO-->CBA: 67.04%
Percentage CBA-->Offer: 65.77%
Percentage Bid-->Offer: 12.37%
Percentage Interview-->Offer: 17.74%
This isn't really in response to any particular question, I just assume this is the Harvard General Knowledge thread now.
Come to think of it, I also chose the number of firms to bid on based on the expected number of callbacks and expected number of offers (sum of CBO/bid and offer/bid, respectively, for every firm on the list); I think I aimed for 8 expected CBOs and 3 expected offers, if I remember correctly, though I don't remember why those numbers. They just sort of seemed safe.
Now that I say that, it sounds sort of ridiculous, but it seemed reasonable at the time.
Er, it's a little hard to break this out by market, because some firms interview all markets together in one giant pile and some break up the markets into different interviewers. And some do IP separately, or (rarely) other specialties separately. That said, someone could probably do an approximation.
Total scam. Not as common around here as other places I've looked for housing but what you just described is an old CL scam.sjgonzalez3 wrote:Does anybody know if there are any common rental scams on Craigslist in the Cambridge area?
I'm trying to avoid using an agent, but some of these Craigslistings are sketch.
I have one guy right now who wants me to wire him $1,000.00 for a deposit before he "mails me the keys" from another state that his job relocated him to.
I want to believe that it's just informal and unconventional (because he sounded super foreign), but too many red flags are popping up....
Obviously I told him to fly a kite and that I needed entry to the apartment and a proposed lease agreement before I would send any money.
Anybody with experience with this? Second, does anybody have any ideas on how I can better vet this place, especially when the owners claim to be in another state, and want to deal virtually?
The pricing/size is just too good to write-off without putting in my due diligence first.
Thanks!
If it's too good to be true...The pricing/size is just too good to write-off without putting in my due diligence first.
Yes, every August after 1L (2Ls can go as well but it's not common to do so). No, only students who want to work at a law firm attend. There is a separate public interest job fair, which I believe is in the fall after EIP (in September). Also, there is the spring interview program, but i'm not sure if any 2Ls or 3Ls do it and whether any public interest organizations attend.love4life29 wrote:Is the interview/career fair thing held every August after 1L? Do all students attend - even those who are set on doing public interest?
Also, it could charitably be described as "limited." PI students apply throughout 2L year for their second summer internships and throughout 3L year for their jobs upon graduation. (There might be a clerkship/fellowship app process in there, too.)ph14 wrote:There is a separate public interest job fair, which I believe is in the fall after EIP (in September).
Yeah... it's just close enough that it is realistic on the pricing/size, it's just on the better side of what i've seen.MyNameIsFlynn! wrote:If it's too good to be true...The pricing/size is just too good to write-off without putting in my due diligence first.
Since neither Hanson nor Subramanian are teaching Corps next year, Clark will be more competitive than normal.MyNameIsFlynn! wrote: For Corps and Evidence, is there anyone who also needs to be ranked 1/2 in order to have a realistic chance at getting in?