Harvard Student(s) Answering Your Questions Forum

[ph14]

Thanks for the very informative thread everyone!

I was wondering is there any other place to gather information on HLS besides this thread and HLS's official website? I am currently working on a LOCI as I am waitlisted but I found the website to be rather bare-boned in terms of information, compared to Columbia and Chicago.

Sorry to be repeating the question, but it looks to be ignored.

Mind any one telling me if any other sources of information exist?

Doubt a LOCI will do anything, but i'll throw out a few ideas:
https://twitter.com/Harvard_Law
http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandr ... sity-03074
https://www.facebook.com/harvardlaw
http://hlrecord.org/
Individual student organization websites, e.g., http://www3.law.harvard.edu/orgs/bsa/ & --LinkRemoved--

[lawschool2014hopeful]

Thanks for the very informative thread everyone!

I was wondering is there any other place to gather information on HLS besides this thread and HLS's official website? I am currently working on a LOCI as I am waitlisted but I found the website to be rather bare-boned in terms of information, compared to Columbia and Chicago.

Sorry to be repeating the question, but it looks to be ignored.

Mind any one telling me if any other sources of information exist?

Doubt a LOCI will do anything, but i'll throw out a few ideas:
https://twitter.com/Harvard_Law
http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandr ... sity-03074
https://www.facebook.com/harvardlaw
http://hlrecord.org/
Individual student organization websites, e.g., http://www3.law.harvard.edu/orgs/bsa/ & --LinkRemoved--

Great, thank you.

It probably wont help much, but I figure, when you are this close, is a game of inches, hopefully to be joining you soon!

Is actually really cool to see how some posters have asked questions in earlier pages and now responding to questions (ATL,BA,DK). It took me 2 days to read through everything!

[ph14]

Thanks for the very informative thread everyone!

I was wondering is there any other place to gather information on HLS besides this thread and HLS's official website? I am currently working on a LOCI as I am waitlisted but I found the website to be rather bare-boned in terms of information, compared to Columbia and Chicago.

Sorry to be repeating the question, but it looks to be ignored.

Mind any one telling me if any other sources of information exist?

Doubt a LOCI will do anything, but i'll throw out a few ideas:
https://twitter.com/Harvard_Law
http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandr ... sity-03074
https://www.facebook.com/harvardlaw
http://hlrecord.org/
Individual student organization websites, e.g., http://www3.law.harvard.edu/orgs/bsa/ & --LinkRemoved--

Great, thank you.

It probably wont help much, but I figure, when you are this close, is a game of inches, hopefully to be joining you soon!

Is actually really cool to see how some posters have asked questions in earlier pages and now responding to questions (ATL,BA,DK). It took me 2 days to read through everything!

I hear ya. Well good luck to you.

[wert3813]

Thanks for the very informative thread everyone!

I was wondering is there any other place to gather information on HLS besides this thread and HLS's official website? I am currently working on a LOCI as I am waitlisted but I found the website to be rather bare-boned in terms of information, compared to Columbia and Chicago.

Sorry to be repeating the question, but it looks to be ignored.

Mind any one telling me if any other sources of information exist?

Doubt a LOCI will do anything, but i'll throw out a few ideas:
https://twitter.com/Harvard_Law
http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandr ... sity-03074
https://www.facebook.com/harvardlaw
http://hlrecord.org/
Individual student organization websites, e.g., http://www3.law.harvard.edu/orgs/bsa/ & --LinkRemoved--

Great, thank you.

It probably wont help much, but I figure, when you are this close, is a game of inches, hopefully to be joining you soon!

Is actually really cool to see how some posters have asked questions in earlier pages and now responding to questions (ATL,BA,DK). It took me 2 days to read through everything!

You probably know this but, assuming it's true, "If admitted I will come" pro slot the only thing that even might move the needle a tick. See JS1B in last year's admission thread.

[wert3813]

Thanks for the very informative thread everyone!

I was wondering is there any other place to gather information on HLS besides this thread and HLS's official website? I am currently working on a LOCI as I am waitlisted but I found the website to be rather bare-boned in terms of information, compared to Columbia and Chicago.

Sorry to be repeating the question, but it looks to be ignored.

Mind any one telling me if any other sources of information exist?

1L but got an email from a partner today asking me to apply. Unsolicited (ie I went But had not emailed anyone thanking them). Also no one should freak out I'm sure it means nothing and that plenty of partners just haven't got around to it.

[TripTrip]

For 2Ls and 3Ls who've done the Quinn Emanuel thing, how do callbacks work? Is it if you get an email from one office asking for grades and resume, you have a shot at a callback, if you don't, you don't? Or can you initiate a follow-up without the office asking?

Thanks!

Wert's response notwithstanding, Quinn has a rep as a go-getter firm. If you want the job, applying seems like a good bet even if they don't reach out.

[viacavour]

For 2Ls and 3Ls who've done the Quinn Emanuel thing, how do callbacks work? Is it if you get an email from one office asking for grades and resume, you have a shot at a callback, if you don't, you don't? Or can you initiate a follow-up without the office asking?

Thanks!

Wert's response notwithstanding, Quinn has a rep as a go-getter firm. If you want the job, applying seems like a good bet even if they don't reach out.

I didn't attend the reception, sent them an email in mid July saying I was interested in the firm, they asked for my resume and grades, got a callback the next day and eventually an offer. Takeaway: the reception REALLY doesn't matter. If you want to apply, apply.

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[MyNameIsFlynn!]

Harvard students are, on the whole, comparatively unprepared for EIP. Not because the resources aren't there

atl, can you elaborate on these points? What makes them unprepared? What resources should they be looking at?

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[gottago]

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[KaNa1986]

I'm trying to understand the difference between H and Y's grading systems.

They seem to both be HP/P, although HLS also has DS/LP.

Doesn't this mean that interviewing skills are paramount at either place? Or have firms established "this many Hs" cutoffs @ HLS that simply don't exist @ YLS?

There are very few grade cutoffs at HLS (they essentially only exist at places such as W&C/Cravath/S&C/Wachtell etc.). At YLS, the grade cutoffs still exist, though they appear to be softer cutoffs. Again, the vast majority of the firms do not have cutoffs.

[BelugaWhale]

I'm trying to understand the difference between H and Y's grading systems.

They seem to both be HP/P, although HLS also has DS/LP.

Doesn't this mean that interviewing skills are paramount at either place? Or have firms established "this many Hs" cutoffs @ HLS that simply don't exist @ YLS?

My understanding is that first semester at Yale is completely P/F. Only second semester do they begin HP/P. So, after 1 yr, it's much harder to distinguish Yalies apart but it is (slightly) easier to distinguish HLS students since we have an extra semester of HP/P/LP grades

[sjgonzalez3]

Does anybody have any experience increasing their HLS aid offer based on an SLS initial aid offer?

If so, how big of a difference do you think it needs to be for a response?

I'm looking at about 12k (4k, 4k, 4k) extra from SLS.

[Blessedassurance]

For 2Ls and 3Ls who've done the Quinn Emanuel thing, how do callbacks work? Is it if you get an email from one office asking for grades and resume, you have a shot at a callback, if you don't, you don't? Or can you initiate a follow-up without the office asking?

Thanks!

they don't know your grades before sending out the emails. they have grade cutoffs. going to their reception is a good way to get that email. you can initiate a follow-up.

if you have further questions, you should ask in a thread where people can respond anonymously.

[tomwatts]

Does anybody have any experience increasing their HLS aid offer based on an SLS initial aid offer?

If so, how big of a difference do you think it needs to be for a response?

I'm looking at about 12k (4k, 4k, 4k) extra from SLS.

HLS is very likely to match. HLS specifically disclaims matching merit-based aid from other schools, but, IIRC, HLS tends to match need-based aid from what they view as peer schools (YLS, SLS). This is second-hand, though.

[wert3813]

http://hlsdope.org/index.php

While I sat on my fat ass this weekend some dude did this. Read the about section if you're curious. I wish my middle school coded.

[Person1111]

I'm trying to understand the difference between H and Y's grading systems.

They seem to both be HP/P, although HLS also has DS/LP.

Doesn't this mean that interviewing skills are paramount at either place? Or have firms established "this many Hs" cutoffs @ HLS that simply don't exist @ YLS?

There are very few grade cutoffs at HLS (they essentially only exist at places such as W&C/Cravath/S&C/Wachtell etc.). At YLS, the grade cutoffs still exist, though they appear to be softer cutoffs. Again, the vast majority of the firms do not have cutoffs.

This could not be more false.

[Mr. Elshal]

I'm trying to understand the difference between H and Y's grading systems.

They seem to both be HP/P, although HLS also has DS/LP.

Doesn't this mean that interviewing skills are paramount at either place? Or have firms established "this many Hs" cutoffs @ HLS that simply don't exist @ YLS?

There are very few grade cutoffs at HLS (they essentially only exist at places such as W&C/Cravath/S&C/Wachtell etc.). At YLS, the grade cutoffs still exist, though they appear to be softer cutoffs. Again, the vast majority of the firms do not have cutoffs.

This could not be more false.

What is false? That there are some firms with cutoffs, or that most firms do not have cutoffs?

[DoubleChecks]

There are very few grade cutoffs at HLS (they essentially only exist at places such as W&C/Cravath/S&C/Wachtell etc.). At YLS, the grade cutoffs still exist, though they appear to be softer cutoffs. Again, the vast majority of the firms do not have cutoffs.

This could not be more false.

What is false? That there are some firms with cutoffs, or that most firms do not have cutoffs?

I am unsure as well. From what I saw (anecdotal evidence), most firms, aside from the super selective, i.e., those listed in the above parenthetical, did not have grade cutoffs at HLS. Or if they did, they were well below median grade cutoffs. I certainly know a number of people with median to slightly below median grades who landed offers at S&C and 'lower' firms that were still top 20 vault firms. Can't speak to YLS recruiting at all, though I'd imagine firms would only be more lax there.

[Person1111]

There are plenty of firms with below median cutoffs - I didn't mean to suggest otherwise. I do not think that the "vast majority" of firms have no cutoff. In fact, I know of multiple firms (including my own) that are not in the group you listed or reputed to be "super selective" and that have hard grade cutoffs.

[unc0mm0n1]

There are plenty of firms with below median cutoffs - I didn't mean to suggest otherwise. I do not think that the "vast majority" of firms have no cutoff. In fact, I know of multiple firms (including my own) that are not in the group you listed or reputed to be "super selective" and that have hard grade cutoffs.

Really? We had a ton of firms at EIP. I'd be surprised if more than 20 had hard grade cutoffs. I think that qualifies as vast majority. I know people who didn't have stellar grades (below median) that got top of the market in places like Chicago, Miami, Boston and Texas. I've also heard of people with below median (on TLS and other forums) getting V10 offers. How many firms at EIP do you think have a hard cutoff?

[DoubleChecks]

There are plenty of firms with below median cutoffs - I didn't mean to suggest otherwise. I do not think that the "vast majority" of firms have no cutoff. In fact, I know of multiple firms (including my own) that are not in the group you listed or reputed to be "super selective" and that have hard grade cutoffs.

I am surprised at this too. From what I experienced and saw among friends, the 'vast majority' of firms were very willing to dip into students who were below median, even many V10 firms. That being said, I can see our two statements not being mutually exclusive. All the firms could have a hard grade cutoff that just happens to be very low; well under "below median". That's quite possible, though I think the connotation of "grade cutoffs" is usually seen as above median or so, i.e., selective firms not taking people who only have median grades. In that sense, I feel that very few firms at EIP were like that.

[KaNa1986]

There are very few grade cutoffs at HLS (they essentially only exist at places such as W&C/Cravath/S&C/Wachtell etc.). At YLS, the grade cutoffs still exist, though they appear to be softer cutoffs. Again, the vast majority of the firms do not have cutoffs.

This could not be more false.

What is false? That there are some firms with cutoffs, or that most firms do not have cutoffs?

I am unsure as well. From what I saw (anecdotal evidence), most firms, aside from the super selective, i.e., those listed in the above parenthetical, did not have grade cutoffs at HLS. Or if they did, they were well below median grade cutoffs. I certainly know a number of people with median to slightly below median grades who landed offers at S&C and 'lower' firms that were still top 20 vault firms. Can't speak to YLS recruiting at all, though I'd imagine firms would only be more lax there.

I agree. Even if students with below median grades get Cravath (which I know of people who got it with below median grades), that does not mean Cravath does not have a cut-off; it is a matter of how hard the cutoff is. I saw a cut-off (though not completely hard) as a line in which you cannot make up for with stuff you can improve up on in the short-term (even if holding a CFA, etc. would still get you considered).

[Mr. Elshal]

Does anyone know how much waitlist movement there is for clinics? I put Transactional first and didn't get it, but now I'm not sure how to structure the rest of my schedule. (Not sure where I am on the waitlist yet, but presumably I will find that out later today)