yarsten wrote: DoubleChecks wrote:
JDflowergirl wrote:1L here and I hope this is the place to ask this
(I Know grades do not come out till late Jan or early feb)
But what grades are good enough for a 1L summer firm position (if such a standard exist)? And what are median grades at H? OCS kept saying that most people get straight P's but I don't think thats equivalent to median. I just thought about all these and thought someone here might be able to help.
The median question has been answered, and I don't know if "most people" get straight P's. I have personally had a hard time finding that many people w/ straight P's, but anecdotal evidence, so take it for what it is worth (very little).
Only reason I am adding on to earlier posters is because, as always, I am obligated to point out that those with strong interest in TX can try to get a 1L SA job there. Don't have to be URM or have some crazy resume to get one, just a good personality, not horrid grades, and an earnest interest in TX. For 1L SA though, some connection to TX may or may not be (implicitly) required. For 2L SA, connections to TX definitely not required -- just the interest in TX. My aforementioned sentences only apply to TX biglaw firms, particularly Houston (I am only guessing when it comes to Dallas since it is a similar market. Austin is much smaller so tougher).
First of all, Thanks for all the helpful posts!!
I am interested in Texas Biglaw after Law school (grew up in TX and have family there). I was lucky enough to get accepted at HLS and a full ride at UT. Judging by my very rough calculations and the fact that I have a wife and kid, I am hoping for 15-20k in aid at Harvard, so (especially factoring in COL), there is a very significant difference in cost. I was wondering what you think about Harvard as far as its edge over UT in Texas Biglaw and, if you had similar options, what helped you choose HLS? I am leaning toward HLS, but that UT scholly is very tempting, especially if I'm just going to end up in TX anyways. That being said, Harvard is obviously much less risky. Thoughts? Thanks in advance!
I had a similar decision to make, and in the end, I obviously went with HLS. As you noted, it is a lot more expensive, but it comes down to how risk averse you are. Regardless of how smart you think you may be, there is still a lot of 'luck' and 'chance' that plays into law school exams. You aren't guaranteed to be top 20% at UT law just because you went in w/ 75%tile GPA and LSAT. Not being top 20% at UT law also makes getting biglaw in TX a more precarious venture. At HLS, you can be below median and comfortably get TX biglaw. I know of no one who struck out at TX biglaw from HLS my yr (who actually tried for the market), and all had varying grades (note: smaller TX biglaw firms are very hard to get into as they hire 1 or none from HLS a lot of the time -- I am generally talking about the larger TX biglaw firms, i.e. Vinson Elkins, Baker Botts, Bracewell, Andrews Kurth, Haynes and Boone, etc.). As others have mentioned countless times, it comes down to interviewing prowess more so than grades, and that holds even more true for TX biglaw (assuming you can show genuine interest in the market -- no need for TX ties for 2L SA, unlike for 1L SA).
So again, how risk averse are you? HLS = buying insurance. Yes, at the end of the day, you may end up at the same firm w/ the same pay, but one is much more guaranteed than the other. The law school experience was very pleasant for me; I was never stressed, for whatever that is worth.
Finally, this may sound a bit pretentious, but I have been shocked at the Harvard brand name. That is an intangible that you are also "buying" which really goes with you forever. It may be one of the most powerful brands in the world, imo, esp. internationally. It's a bit more ubiquitous over in the NE/Boston lol, but not so in TX.