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Re: Harvard Student(s) Answering Your Questions

Postby delusional » Fri Oct 26, 2012 9:04 am

Mista Bojangles wrote:Any thoughts on the Negotiation Workshop elective with Bordone?
Didn't take it, but it's apparently super popular, and I think you have to bid it first to have a shot. It's also a ton of work. (Note: I can't seem to find it in Helios, so I'm not sure if this is the same one that is so popular.)

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Postby delusional » Fri Oct 26, 2012 10:21 am

Anyone know anything about Professor Subramanian and can PM me?

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Re: Harvard Student(s) Answering Your Questions

Postby Blessedassurance » Fri Oct 26, 2012 12:02 pm

What's the least work-intensive Elective?

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Re: Harvard Student(s) Answering Your Questions

Postby englawyer » Fri Oct 26, 2012 5:07 pm

Blessedassurance wrote:What's the least work-intensive Elective?


one of the 2 credit seminars. not sure how the grading works though.

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Re: Harvard Student(s) Answering Your Questions

Postby idk » Fri Oct 26, 2012 6:10 pm

delusional wrote:
Mista Bojangles wrote:Any thoughts on the Negotiation Workshop elective with Bordone?
Didn't take it, but it's apparently super popular, and I think you have to bid it first to have a shot. It's also a ton of work. (Note: I can't seem to find it in Helios, so I'm not sure if this is the same one that is so popular.)

easier to get as a 1l, you have to fill out application/brief statement of interest. lots of people seem to get accepted off of the wait list

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Re: Harvard Student(s) Answering Your Questions

Postby Blessedassurance » Sat Oct 27, 2012 12:01 am

How arbitrary is LRW grading? Is it worth pouring your soul into or should you give it your best effort and put your energy and resources elsewhere?

I spoke to someone who thought if he could do it all over again, he would have concentrated on his other classes and let the chip fall where they may in LRW.

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Re: Harvard Student(s) Answering Your Questions

Postby ph14 » Sat Oct 27, 2012 12:13 am

Blessedassurance wrote:How arbitrary is LRW grading? Is it worth pouring your soul into or should you give it your best effort and put your energy and resources elsewhere?

I spoke to someone who thought if he could do it all over again, he would have concentrated on his other classes and let the chip fall where they may in LRW.


It's not arbitrary (assuming you don't have an outlier instructor). In my opinion, it's worth the effort to do a really good job. You also have plenty of time 1L to both concentrate on your other classes and put a lot of effort into LRW.

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Re: Harvard Student(s) Answering Your Questions

Postby Blessedassurance » Sat Oct 27, 2012 12:54 am

ph14 wrote:
Blessedassurance wrote:How arbitrary is LRW grading? Is it worth pouring your soul into or should you give it your best effort and put your energy and resources elsewhere?

I spoke to someone who thought if he could do it all over again, he would have concentrated on his other classes and let the chip fall where they may in LRW.


It's not arbitrary (assuming you don't have an outlier instructor). In my opinion, it's worth the effort to do a really good job. You also have plenty of time 1L to both concentrate on your other classes and put a lot of effort into LRW.


I'm talking arbitrary in the sense of getting an H. What if you are in a section where the fellow just doesn't give out that many H's? I mean I understand one needs to put in his or her best faith effort but it will suck to sink a disproportionate amount of time into it and end up with a P anyways.

My main question is...how bad does a P in LRW look?

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Re: Harvard Student(s) Answering Your Questions

Postby Mista Bojangles » Sat Oct 27, 2012 2:27 am

Blessedassurance wrote:
ph14 wrote:
Blessedassurance wrote:How arbitrary is LRW grading? Is it worth pouring your soul into or should you give it your best effort and put your energy and resources elsewhere?

I spoke to someone who thought if he could do it all over again, he would have concentrated on his other classes and let the chip fall where they may in LRW.


It's not arbitrary (assuming you don't have an outlier instructor). In my opinion, it's worth the effort to do a really good job. You also have plenty of time 1L to both concentrate on your other classes and put a lot of effort into LRW.


I'm talking arbitrary in the sense of getting an H. What if you are in a section where the fellow just doesn't give out that many H's? I mean I understand one needs to put in his or her best faith effort but it will suck to sink a disproportionate amount of time into it and end up with a P anyways.

My main question is...how bad does a P in LRW look?


lol @ this kid flipping a shit bc he got a P back on his closed memo today

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Re: Harvard Student(s) Answering Your Questions

Postby Blessedassurance » Sat Oct 27, 2012 2:36 am

Mista Bojangles wrote: lol @ this kid flipping a shit bc he got a P back on his closed memo today


I did?

Anyways, can you let more knowledgeable people answer (i.e. 2L's, 3L's etc)? I'm not really interested in juvenile 1L-to-1L bullshit at the moment. Maybe next time.

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Re: Harvard Student(s) Answering Your Questions

Postby acrossthelake » Sat Oct 27, 2012 11:41 am

A P in LRW is no big deal. Look, there are a handful of firms that are very grade picky (it's a relatively short list though) and obv. you need top-notch grades to sail onto the prestigious clerkships or something like the DOJ Honors program, but I know a fair number of people with grades hovering around median who are going to V5 firms or to top firms in other markets. Try your best in your classes, then let it go.

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Re: Harvard Student(s) Answering Your Questions

Postby Mista Bojangles » Sat Oct 27, 2012 4:03 pm

Blessedassurance wrote:
Mista Bojangles wrote: lol @ this kid flipping a shit bc he got a P back on his closed memo today


I did?


certainly the timing of your post suggests it. and certainly this butthurt reply further strengthens the suggestion.

in any case, fucking relax. you're at harvard, a P won't kill you. cheers

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Re: Harvard Student(s) Answering Your Questions

Postby delusional » Sat Oct 27, 2012 7:15 pm

Blessedassurance wrote:
ph14 wrote:
Blessedassurance wrote:How arbitrary is LRW grading? Is it worth pouring your soul into or should you give it your best effort and put your energy and resources elsewhere?

I spoke to someone who thought if he could do it all over again, he would have concentrated on his other classes and let the chip fall where they may in LRW.


It's not arbitrary (assuming you don't have an outlier instructor). In my opinion, it's worth the effort to do a really good job. You also have plenty of time 1L to both concentrate on your other classes and put a lot of effort into LRW.


I'm talking arbitrary in the sense of getting an H. What if you are in a section where the fellow just doesn't give out that many H's? I mean I understand one needs to put in his or her best faith effort but it will suck to sink a disproportionate amount of time into it and end up with a P anyways.

My main question is...how bad does a P in LRW look?
From someone who got a P in everything LRW related across the entire first year: A P in LRW doesn't matter on its own unless you want Wachtell (because more than a P or two rules you out) or Boies. But it's still worth putting in a lot of effort, because that is pretty much the only way you will learn to write. (I speculate... I still don't know if I've ever learned to write... :) ) And once you are a 2L, the opportunities that you'll have to work directly on writing are fewer and further between, and there won't be any outside pressure to do it. So now is the time.

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Re: Harvard Student(s) Answering Your Questions

Postby Blessedassurance » Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:05 am

Mista Bojangles wrote: certainly the timing of your post suggests it. and certainly this butthurt reply further strengthens the suggestion.

in any case, fucking relax. you're at harvard, a P won't kill you. cheers


You're an idiot for reasons I won't get into. Why are you even trying to answer the question considering you're a 1L? Rhetorical, don't answer.

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Re: Harvard Student(s) Answering Your Questions

Postby Mista Bojangles » Sun Oct 28, 2012 3:01 pm

Blessedassurance wrote:
Mista Bojangles wrote: certainly the timing of your post suggests it. and certainly this butthurt reply further strengthens the suggestion.

in any case, fucking relax. you're at harvard, a P won't kill you. cheers


You're an idiot for reasons I won't get into. Why are you even trying to answer the question considering you're a 1L? Rhetorical, don't answer.


yeesh. ok dude, just that you seem pretty miserable and my point is there's no reason to be.

just as a PSA to others reading the thread, most people at HLS seem happy, or at least nowhere near as miserable as this guy

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Re: Harvard Student(s) Answering Your Questions

Postby Blessedassurance » Sun Oct 28, 2012 6:17 pm

Ha...ok

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Re: Harvard Student(s) Answering Your Questions

Postby mathrev » Mon Oct 29, 2012 4:37 pm

Blessedassurance you should have gone to Yale. You wouldn't worry about grades and wouldn't post such questions. Or at least you should have gone to stanford where the weather is nice.

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Re: Harvard Student(s) Answering Your Questions

Postby acrossthelake » Mon Oct 29, 2012 4:46 pm

Y'all need to stop fighting in this thread and go back to asking questions.

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Re: Harvard Student(s) Answering Your Questions

Postby Blessedassurance » Mon Oct 29, 2012 4:56 pm

New Haven is too ghetto.

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Re: Harvard Student(s) Answering Your Questions

Postby mathrev » Mon Oct 29, 2012 11:44 pm

Blessedassurance wrote:New Haven is too ghetto.


I would choose a ghetto if I didn't have to worry about LRW grades.

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Re: Harvard Student(s) Answering Your Questions

Postby acrossthelake » Tue Oct 30, 2012 12:26 am

No, really, take your Yale v. Harvard argument elsewhere. You can in fact start a thread dedicated to it.

I will ban the next person (and person after, etc.) who continues this argument in this thread. I don't care who started it.

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Re: Harvard Student(s) Answering Your Questions

Postby chickenalfredo » Tue Oct 30, 2012 10:33 pm

Rank these from least work/easiest to most work/ most difficult

Public International Law (Visiting Professor Fionnuala Ni Aolain)
Public International Law (Professor Gabriella Blum)
Public International Law (Visiting Professor Thomas Lee)
Law and International Economy (Assistant Professor Mark Wu)
Comparative Law: Western Legal Orders (Visiting Professor Julie Suk)
Constitution and the International Order (Professor Noah Feldman)
The Politics of Private Law in Comparative Perspective (Professor Duncan Kennedy)

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Re: Harvard Student(s) Answering Your Questions

Postby acrossthelake » Tue Oct 30, 2012 10:42 pm

chickenalfredo wrote:Rank these from least work/easiest to most work/ most difficult

Public International Law (Visiting Professor Fionnuala Ni Aolain)
Public International Law (Professor Gabriella Blum)
Public International Law (Visiting Professor Thomas Lee)
Law and International Economy (Assistant Professor Mark Wu)
Comparative Law: Western Legal Orders (Visiting Professor Julie Suk)
Constitution and the International Order (Professor Noah Feldman)
The Politics of Private Law in Comparative Perspective (Professor Duncan Kennedy)



Only the one by Blum, Wu, and Feldman were offered last year. The other 4 are new(compared to last year, at least), so it'll be difficult to compare them. Feldman is definitely the most difficult of the 3, though I'm not sure which of the other 2 are more difficult.

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Re: Harvard Student(s) Answering Your Questions

Postby Doorkeeper » Tue Oct 30, 2012 11:11 pm

I'm a 1L, so take my opinion with a grain of salt, but I've heard very good things about Wu and Blum from friends. Feldman has been mixed depending on whether the person likes his authoritative teaching style, and I've heard people like to gun it out in his classes. That being said, those who like his lecturing REALLY like it.

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Re: Harvard Student(s) Answering Your Questions

Postby delusional » Tue Oct 30, 2012 11:52 pm

Doorkeeper wrote:I'm a 1L, so take my opinion with a grain of salt, but I've heard very good things about Wu and Blum from friends. Feldman has been mixed depending on whether the person likes his authoritative teaching style, and I've heard people like to gun it out in his classes. That being said, those who like his lecturing REALLY like it.

Yeah, I can echo that. Everyone knew that Blum was good last year, so you had to bid her first. I ended up with Wu and I really liked him. He is relatively new and people really seem to be catching on that he's a good prof. His other courses seem pretty full too.




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