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Re: UChi Current Students Taking Questions

Postby 20141023 » Wed Apr 09, 2014 2:22 am

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Re: UChi Current Students Taking Questions

Postby Neal Patrick Harris » Wed Apr 09, 2014 2:48 am

kappycaft1 wrote:
I know that Vault rankings are solely based on prestige (LinkRemoved) and don't necessarily have anything to do with the difficulty of landing a job at any given firm (e.g., Irell and Munger are much harder to land than MoFo despite being ranked #47, #34, and #24, respectively). However, in general, I had been under the impression that higher Vault ranking = more difficult to land. Of course, a couple of firms having huge summer classes (15 people at Skadden and 13 at Kirkland & Ellis) probably throws the numbers off a bit, but I can't tell if self-selection for prestige is a driving force, or if lower-ranked firms just not hiring anyone is what is causing this skew. For example, does nobody do an SA at a V90+ firm because it is not ranked well, or because it is just difficult to land an SA there? (For some reason I thought that the bars would be arranged the other way so that there were fewer people going to the "top" firms and more people going to lower-ranked firms.)



There are fewer SA positions at lower ranked firms. Since higher ranked hire more SAs, we end up at higher ranked firms. That's pretty sufficient to explain the gap. For example (from our OCI thread, which I'd recommend you read if you're interested):
125 Sullivan
125 Davis
98 Cleary
93 Cravath
81 Paul Weiss
73 Skadden
69 Milbank
65 Debevoise
63 Simpson
53 Weil
51 Cahill
51 Kirkland
40 Shearling
39 Gibson
39 Willkie
36 Latham
30 DLA (multi office)
29 White
28 Ropes
26 Sidley
26 Wachtell
25 Cadwalader
23 Wilmer
22 Jones Day
21 Kaye
21 Linklaters
20 Allen Ovary
20 Fried
19 Freshfields
18 Dentons
18 Kramer
17 Clifford Chance
17 Dechert
17 Mayer
17 Proskauer
16 Chadbourne
16 OMM
14 Hogan
13 Covington
11 Paul Hastings
11 Akin
11 Goodwin
11 Morgan Lewis
10 Bingham
10 Greenberg
10 Katten
10 Orrick
9 Pillsbury
8 Alston
8 Arnold
8 Reed Smith
7 Jenner
7 K&L Gates
7 MoFo
7 WInston
5 Baker McKenzie
5 Baker Botts
5 Bracewell
5 SPALDING!!!
4 Arent Fox
4 Blank Rome
4 Bryan Cave
4 Cooley
4 Crowell

As you can see, # of SAs correlates very strongly with vault ranking (with a few exceptions).


Also, there's a lot of reasons you'd choose a highly-ranked firm over a lower one. I think you may be assuming that prestige is the driving force (though I don't doubt it's a consideration).

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Re: UChi Current Students Taking Questions

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Re: UChi Current Students Taking Questions

Postby Neal Patrick Harris » Wed Apr 09, 2014 11:51 am

kappycaft1 wrote:Thanks. That is interesting. I assume that those are the numbers just for NYC (with the exception of DLA Piper)? If so, wow - 125 is a huge number SAs for one office.


Yup. S&C is would be basically 1/3 of the Chicago market.

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Re: UChi Current Students Taking Questions

Postby Xifeng » Wed Apr 09, 2014 8:32 pm

Neal Patrick Harris wrote:
kappycaft1 wrote:Thanks. That is interesting. I assume that those are the numbers just for NYC (with the exception of DLA Piper)? If so, wow - 125 is a huge number SAs for one office.


Yup. S&C is would be basically 1/3 of the Chicago market.


This is why all you 1Ls should keep NYC in mind if your grades aren't amazing--there are just SO MANY MORE jobs in NYC than Chicago.

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Re: UChi Current Students Taking Questions

Postby UnicornHunter » Sun Apr 13, 2014 12:09 am

Is there any sort of veteran's presence at Chicago? A quick glance at the student organizations didn't turn up any clubs.

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Re: UChi Current Students Taking Questions

Postby 20141023 » Sun Apr 13, 2014 12:19 am

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Re: UChi Current Students Taking Questions

Postby UnicornHunter » Sun Apr 13, 2014 12:34 am

kappycaft1 wrote:
AfghanTourist wrote:Is there any sort of veteran's presence at Chicago? A quick glance at the student organizations didn't turn up any clubs.

Not that I know of... Among the 1Ls, I only know 1 American who was in the military for a few years here (there are some Koreans who did the mandatory Korean military thing, but I don't think that is what you're looking for); the average age in the Class of 2016 was 24, and most of the "old" people (who are ~30+, like myself) were doing other stuff (academia, working at companies, etc.) before law school. There might be some other students with military backgrounds that I just don't know about, but my guess is that they are few and far between.


Thanks!

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Re: UChi Current Students Taking Questions

Postby orbotop » Sun Apr 13, 2014 7:27 pm

another 1L was in the israeli military and another was in the CIA. but that's as close as i think our class gets.

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Re: UChi Current Students Taking Questions

Postby anagram » Sun Apr 13, 2014 8:42 pm

How is UChicago for law students who are definitely committed to doing public interest? Is the school more or less dominated by people who want to do BigLaw? And also, if there are any current students who are planning on going into public interest in the forum, has it been difficult finding opportunities outside of the Midwest for your summer internships, etc.?

Thanks!

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Re: UChi Current Students Taking Questions

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Re: UChi Current Students Taking Questions

Postby applelover » Sun Apr 13, 2014 9:08 pm

Hi all!

I know kappycaft1 is moving to Shoreland, but does anyone have a rough estimate of how many UChi law students currently live there?

Also, if anyone currently lives or has lived in a renovated 1BR or studio at Regents, please PM me.

Thanks!

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Re: UChi Current Students Taking Questions

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Re: UChi Current Students Taking Questions

Postby Mal Reynolds » Sun Apr 13, 2014 9:29 pm

I'm kind of jealous of Shoreland.

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Re: UChi Current Students Taking Questions

Postby beepboopbeep » Sun Apr 13, 2014 9:45 pm

Mal Reynolds wrote:I'm kind of jealous of Shoreland.


It was a sick place to live as an undergrad, back when it was dorms. But paying $1100/studio or $1400/1BR? No way I'm leaving a $900/mo 1BR for that.

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Re: UChi Current Students Taking Questions

Postby applelover » Sun Apr 13, 2014 11:05 pm

beepboopbeep wrote:
Mal Reynolds wrote:I'm kind of jealous of Shoreland.


It was a sick place to live as an undergrad, back when it was dorms. But paying $1100/studio or $1400/1BR? No way I'm leaving a $900/mo 1BR for that.



Where do you live?

and kappycaft1, I PM'd you

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Re: UChi Current Students Taking Questions

Postby elterrible78 » Sun Apr 13, 2014 11:25 pm

kappycaft1 wrote:
anagram wrote:How is UChicago for law students who are definitely committed to doing public interest? Is the school more or less dominated by people who want to do BigLaw? And also, if there are any current students who are planning on going into public interest in the forum, has it been difficult finding opportunities outside of the Midwest for your summer internships, etc.?

Thanks!
The Class of 2014 had 201 2Ls; 179 (89%) of them worked at law firms for their 2L summer, and 19 (9.5%) did public interest work. After graduation, 15.3% of the Class of 2011 went into public interest, whereas only 8.4% and 6.0% of the following 2 classes went that route. It seems like there is a lot of self-selection away from public interest when the biglaw market is doing well (or perhaps it is when the PI market is doing poorly), so it is difficult to ascertain how hard it really is to land a position doing PI. Of the people I know who that are doing PI stuff for their 1L summer, most of it is taking place outside of Chicago. Of the 19 students who did PI for their 2L summers last year, only 4 of them stayed in Chicago (plus a 5th person who did half of their summer here and half elsewhere doing PI work). Accordingly, it seems like you are hardly bound to this region if you choose to go that route.

Anyway, those are just the stats; someone else who has actual experience applying for that sort of work will have to tell you how hard it actually is finding a PI position coming out of UChicago.


Despite the creepy-ass deserted hallways, I am really thinking about moving there next year. And I'm bringing some goblets and maps of Europe with me.

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Re: UChi Current Students Taking Questions

Postby WhiteyCakes » Sun Apr 13, 2014 11:45 pm

ITT: kappycaft1

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Re: UChi Current Students Taking Questions

Postby 20141023 » Sun Apr 13, 2014 11:57 pm

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Re: UChi Current Students Taking Questions

Postby c0llegeStUd3nt » Mon Apr 14, 2014 12:53 am

Hey 0L here. I have a quick question about proving ties, specifically in the New York market. I don't want to post my personal information out in the open but is anyone willing to answer a PM from me to look at my situation to see if it would be considered a tie?

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Re: UChi Current Students Taking Questions

Postby 2014 » Mon Apr 14, 2014 1:01 am

c0llegeStUd3nt wrote:Hey 0L here. I have a quick question about proving ties, specifically in the New York market. I don't want to post my personal information out in the open but is anyone willing to answer a PM from me to look at my situation to see if it would be considered a tie?

Go for it. Spoiler alert, it almost certainly is.

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Re: UChi Current Students Taking Questions

Postby drawstring » Mon Apr 14, 2014 1:06 am

Are ties an issue with the NY market?

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Re: UChi Current Students Taking Questions

Postby beepboopbeep » Mon Apr 14, 2014 1:36 am

applelover wrote:
beepboopbeep wrote:
Mal Reynolds wrote:I'm kind of jealous of Shoreland.


It was a sick place to live as an undergrad, back when it was dorms. But paying $1100/studio or $1400/1BR? No way I'm leaving a $900/mo 1BR for that.



Where do you live?

and kappycaft1, I PM'd you


http://chicagorentals.com/apartment/scholars-corner

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Re: UChi Current Students Taking Questions

Postby 2014 » Mon Apr 14, 2014 1:39 am

drawstring wrote:Are ties an issue with the NY market?

You will get asked why you want to be there but basically any sentence you reply with is sufficient. They certainly help though if for nothing else than you will sound more genuine, persuasive and will have more things to fill 20-30 minutes with if your answer is "I grew up in midtown" instead of "because firms are there".

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Re: UChi Current Students Taking Questions

Postby Rahviveh » Mon Apr 14, 2014 10:07 am

kappycaft1 wrote:
applelover wrote:Hi all!

I know kappycaft1 is moving to Shoreland, but does anyone have a rough estimate of how many UChi law students currently live there? Thanks!
Hey applelover - it was great to hear that you enjoyed ASW and made the decision to take the Ruby and come to UChicago!

Not many people in general live in Shoreland yet (I don't even think it's had its grand opening yet). I know 0 students who live here, which makes sense because people usually sign 1-year leases that end around the end of the school year. I've been here for almost a month now, and I rarely run into anyone (I mean human beings in general and not just law students) in the hallways or elevators. elterrible78 said that it felt like hallway scene from The Shining when he came by to visit the other day. :lol:

I know a couple of people who will be moving in here as 1Ls this fall, but I see this place having the student population of Del Prado and not Regents just because it is more expensive, and there isn't a law school discount like there is at Regents.

Also, I lived in a renovated 1BR at Regents until last month if you have any questions.

P.S. Other Students Currently in Regents: I just noticed on this year's flyer that the student discount at Regents is being lowered to $50 a month instead of $100 a month, which kind of blows.



I was hoping that this would only apply to new residents, but I just talked to Reg's buddies in the management office and they said it applies to everyone.

Do any 2L's want to do a post about other places to live at in HP, preferably with a doorman?

What about the ones on this website:

http://chicagorentals.com/




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