NoleinNY wrote:Judge Philip Banks wrote:NoleinNY wrote:Judge Philip Banks wrote:Hey NoleinNY - just wanted to say congrats on finishing up 1L! Must feel nice. How's the write-on competition going so far for you? Did you do anything to prepare for it?
Thanks! The write-on is OK... It's not fun, but you gotta do it if you want to get on. I'm also trying out for Byrne, and I'd rather get that. I didn't really prepare for write-on. Not much you could do to prepare for it besides paying attention in Legal Research and Writing class haha.
I have heard some people read Volokh's Academic Legal Writing and/or the Bluebook at some point before the competition - you think that is overboard? The few 1Ls I know at LLS didn't do any prep, either, for what it's worth.
So you are doing both the Byrne tryouts AND the write-on at the same time?? That seems pretty hard haha. I was looking at the Byrne tryout requirements that are publicly available, and it seems pretty tough. How do they really expect anyone to be able to competently and meaningfully take part in the tryouts when you haven't had any training in those activities, such as closing arguments or direct/cross examinations (or are there instructions that explain everything?)? This is especially in comparison to the write-on, where you should essentially learn much of what it takes to successfully compete in a required class (LRW)...
Eh. It probably helps, but I don't know anyone doing it. Obviously, you have to use the Bluebook when you write it up, but reading the bluebook ahead of time is like reading the Federalist Papers before you take Con Law... Sure, it will help you understand some of the concepts and you'll certainly be referred to quotes and such from it, but who in their right mind would do it?
As for Byrne and Write-On, it's about time allocation. They tell you at the Byrne tryouts that you should need a few hours (not a few days) to prep for the closing arguments. They have a training a few days before the competition (they held it on Friday) that explains what goes into a closing argument and it had pointers. If you have never had that kind of experience, I could see the training session being very useful. If you are familiar with it... It makes you want to put a power drill to your temple and pull the trigger. As for your last point, part of this might be self-selection: the people who would be inclined to do the Trial Team would be people who have been interested in and good at this stuff. From what I gathered, the Tryouts are 10% Reading Comprehension, 15% Preparation/Writing, 75% public speaking/communication ability.
Good point about the self-selection. That makes sense. I guess if the Byrne tryouts require less time if you are part of the self-selected group, handling the write-on at the same time might not be terrible. Still seems stressful haha.
Does Loyola teach the Bluebook in LRW class? I thought I had read somewhere that they use some other method/book. Or does it vary by professor?