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Postby Danteshek » Thu Jun 16, 2011 2:43 am

chimp wrote:
Danteshek wrote:Ok. If you are willing to spend $1,100 per month you can get a nice one bedroom in miracle mile. You can spend the money from selling your car and the money that you'll save not paying for gas.


Dude, why do you want me to sell my car so bad? In LA, that just isn't a wise decision.


Herd mentality. Public transit works fine in LA if you are smart about where you live.

I will shut up now since you clearly will not listen. Enjoy the extra 20-30k in loans.

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Postby sclatin2000 » Tue Jun 21, 2011 6:40 pm

Does anyone have any information regarding the schools Public Interest Loan Assistance program? I've tried to research it on the schools website, but all it says is:

"LOYOLA'S PUBLIC INTEREST LOAN ASSISTANCE PROGRAM (PILAP) IS CURRENTLY UNDER REVIEW BY THE DEAN AND MAYBE REVISED FOR 2011 FALL APPLICATIONS. PLEASE CHECK BACK IN SEPTEMBER 2011 FOR INFORMATION REGARDING THE NEW POLICIES AND PROCEDURES FOR APPLYING."

Can anyone comment on how the program has been structured in the past, and any rumored changes that might be made going forward?

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Postby MrAnon » Tue Jun 21, 2011 6:54 pm

sclatin2000 wrote:Does anyone have any information regarding the schools Public Interest Loan Assistance program? I've tried to research it on the schools website, but all it says is:

"LOYOLA'S PUBLIC INTEREST LOAN ASSISTANCE PROGRAM (PILAP) IS CURRENTLY UNDER REVIEW BY THE DEAN AND MAYBE REVISED FOR 2011 FALL APPLICATIONS. PLEASE CHECK BACK IN SEPTEMBER 2011 FOR INFORMATION REGARDING THE NEW POLICIES AND PROCEDURES FOR APPLYING."

Can anyone comment on how the program has been structured in the past, and any rumored changes that might be made going forward?


Sounds like they are getting rid of it. The truth is that lower tier schools can't keep aggressive LRAP policies running forever. The schools depends on donations from alumni and returns from investments and neither of those sources are as viable as they once were.

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Postby sclatin2000 » Tue Jun 21, 2011 7:23 pm

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sclatin2000 wrote:Does anyone have any information regarding the schools Public Interest Loan Assistance program? I've tried to research it on the schools website, but all it says is:

"LOYOLA'S PUBLIC INTEREST LOAN ASSISTANCE PROGRAM (PILAP) IS CURRENTLY UNDER REVIEW BY THE DEAN AND MAYBE REVISED FOR 2011 FALL APPLICATIONS. PLEASE CHECK BACK IN SEPTEMBER 2011 FOR INFORMATION REGARDING THE NEW POLICIES AND PROCEDURES FOR APPLYING."

Can anyone comment on how the program has been structured in the past, and any rumored changes that might be made going forward?


Sounds like they are getting rid of it. The truth is that lower tier schools can't keep aggressive LRAP policies running forever. The schools depends on donations from alumni and returns from investments and neither of those sources are as viable as they once were.


Wow, if that's true then that really sucks for me. I'm interested in PI law and really want to stay in my native Los Angeles (I have family here and ultimately want to work here) but there's no way I can justify attending LLS over a school like Hastings, which has one of the better LRAP programs that will be able to help me with the incredible debt load I will be taking on. Bummer.

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Postby thepete » Tue Jun 21, 2011 7:27 pm

what is this PILRAP thing we are talking about?? Did we have to apply for it or do we apply for it once we get in??
I dont recall lmu asking me to submit an application for pilrap

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Postby sclatin2000 » Tue Jun 21, 2011 8:00 pm

thepete wrote:what is this PILRAP thing we are talking about?? Did we have to apply for it or do we apply for it once we get in??
I dont recall lmu asking me to submit an application for pilrap


http://intranet.lls.edu/publicinterestlaw/pilap/index.html

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Postby thepete » Tue Jun 21, 2011 8:06 pm

Bloody hell... I was actually looking into PI law for they have a fixed schedule.. (correct me if I'm wrong..)

And I thought it was also the PI firm or the government that helps you pay the loan, no?

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Postby Danteshek » Tue Jun 21, 2011 10:36 pm

Guys, don't freak out. This is review is necessary in light of the new federal IRB program.

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Postby NoleinNY » Wed Jun 22, 2011 6:17 pm

chimp wrote:So, Nole, you going to be keeping your scholarship for next year? (No biggie if you don't feel like answering this).


Rankings are not out yet. I'd prefer not to say whether I keep it or not. I will, however, give people a decent idea of how many people i know, anecdotally, keep them.

Also, lol @ the freakout. New IBR rules to deal with. The Public Interest law people raise a ton of money independent of the school budget.

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Postby NoleinNY » Fri Jun 24, 2011 10:29 pm

chimp wrote:What kind of supplements are available in the library? If one is interested in using E&Es for example, would it be wiser just to buy them online for cheap or are they readily available in the library?


Most of the standard ones are available in the library: E&E, Crunchtime, Emmanuels, etc. My only complaint about supplements from the library (this only applies to ones with multiple choice questions like Q&A or Glannon) but there is always one idiot that circles the freaking answers in the library book. Whether you should buy supplements or use the library ones honestly depends on how you study best and what supplements you use (certain supplements are better for certain profs, etc.). Ted Seto's property class, for example, pairs well with the Glannon Guide. Trisolini pairs well with either the emmanuels or gilbert. If you get Laurie Levenson, you have to buy all the supplements she wrote. Period.

For me personally, complex algorithmic areas of law like Contracts and Civ Pro benefit from owning a hornbook (or the E&E for something less dense) and following along to make sure you understand the material. You can't take the supplements from the library with you back home, so they really only benefit you if you plan on sticking around campus. Home study-ers who need supplements should buy them. There is a shop across the street from the school call "LA Law Books" and 8/10 times they will have cheaper supplements and casebooks than the on campus bookstore.

Sorry that answer was all over the place; I'm exhausted from work today and about to crash haha.

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Postby NoleinNY » Sun Jun 26, 2011 7:05 pm

chimp wrote:That was actually really helpful. Thanks!


No problem. Did you get your list of professors yet? If so, and you'd like any specific tips, feel free to PM me and hopefully I can give you some feedback.

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Postby NoleinNY » Sun Jun 26, 2011 7:24 pm

chimp wrote:
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chimp wrote:That was actually really helpful. Thanks!


No problem. Did you get your list of professors yet? If so, and you'd like any specific tips, feel free to PM me and hopefully I can give you some feedback.


Not yet, but when I do receive it I will definitely pm you. I was in Professor Seto's property mock class and he seemed like a pretty interesting prof. Did you have him for property?


I did not have him personally, but several friends of mine did. He is a very good professor..... he just expects a lot from you. Some of it is pretty useless "What was the rule for ______ in 1598 versus 1800" etc. Very big into knowing all the common law variations. He is also reeeeeeeeeeeeeeally into "future interests;" he spends 90% of the first semester just on that very topic. That's good in the sense that it is a very important thing to know for the bar.... It is just a pain in the ass.

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Postby qwerty321 » Tue Jun 28, 2011 1:31 am

has anyone ever taken professor berdejo? if so, how is he? thanks.

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Postby NoleinNY » Tue Jun 28, 2011 6:33 pm

qwerty321 wrote:has anyone ever taken professor berdejo? if so, how is he? thanks.


I haven't personally taken him, although I've met him a few times. Seems interesting enough, but I've only heard him speak in the context of faculty workshops.

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Postby tlc » Tue Jun 28, 2011 7:29 pm

Hey NoleinNY,

I'm not sure whether you were aware and a participant of the TLS forums before you entered LLs, but how do you think the advice for 0L and 1Ls would compare to your experience in your first year. From what I gather from your posts, you had some events that threw off your grades so that they were less than ideal, but if you were doing it all over again, what would you suggest?

Follow Arrow's advice religiously? Don't burn out?

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Postby Danteshek » Tue Jun 28, 2011 9:01 pm

qwerty321 wrote:has anyone ever taken professor berdejo? if so, how is he? thanks.


Prof. Berdejo was my advisor for my law review research on the Dodd-Frank whistleblower provision. He is very smart, and has a rigorous way of thinking about problems. Thanks to him, I am publishing my work with a journal at the University of Maryland. I am taking his Securities Regulation class in the Fall.

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Postby NoleinNY » Wed Jun 29, 2011 7:10 pm

tlc wrote:Hey NoleinNY,

I'm not sure whether you were aware and a participant of the TLS forums before you entered LLs, but how do you think the advice for 0L and 1Ls would compare to your experience in your first year. From what I gather from your posts, you had some events that threw off your grades so that they were less than ideal, but if you were doing it all over again, what would you suggest?

Follow Arrow's advice religiously? Don't burn out?


You need KNOW you have one of two things to succeed in school: a good support system or an iron will. You can't just assume you do. I've read a lot of the guides of how to succeed, and Arrow's is very good... But don't follow it religiously. His style may not work for you. If I could do it all over again, this is what I would've done (some of it I did do, some I didn't)

*Take good notes. Specifically, take notes appropriate for the professor. Sometimes, it's best to take notes in a sort of proto-outline format with a separate set of notes just for cases. Sometimes the professor will provide you with a template and you just fill in the blanks, etc. You should be able to figure out in the first few weeks which style works for whom.

*Go to LA law books. Tell the guy who your professors are. Buy the books he advises (even if you don't buy them from him). He gets feedback from students and knows a ton of the professors and he knows what works best for who.

*I have a theory that seems validated based on people I know in law school and how they've adapted. I lump people into two categories: science and non-science backgrounds. For science, I'm lumping engineering, chem, math, etc.

Those people seem to, on average, have a better time understanding what I like to call "algorithmic classes;" that is, classes that ask you to put together a hundred different pieces in a specific process. Contracts, Civ Pro, and to a lesser extent, Conlaw are algorithmic classes. They have a harder time in what I like to call "elemental" classes, or classes where you need to understand things in chunks. These are Property, and Crim; torts is a bit of a hybrid class, since intentional and strict liability torts are elemental, but negligence is algorithmic.

Non-science people are the opposite; elemental classes come naturally and algorithmic classes are harder. Whichever is harder for you, buy the E&E and/or Hornbooks. Whatever is easier, just test yourself at the end of a chunk of material with other multiple choice questions or short hypos.

*Outlining: Useful, but overrated. I made true, complete outlines for some of my more complicated classes. For less complicated stuff (like property) create an "attack outline," which was a 3 page checklist of issues you have to cover.

*Type fast. You don't need to crank out 7000 words (and some professors have strict 3000 word limits anyway), but be able to do 25-60 wpm.

*More on exam taking:

Know the format your professor wants and follow it. Regardless of what that format is, you should spend the first 15-40 minutes just reading the prompt and outlining. I only know one person, a genius in another section, who could skip outlining after reading the question and crank out a treatise. Before halfway through the semester, he already had a 3 inch binder with a tabbed outline that he started to memorize. You do not need to be that crazy, unless you absolutely positively have a) a strong support system b) an iron will, AND c) a burning desire to be THE #1 IN YOUR CLASS BY 1000 MILES.

My property professor told us a story of a class he taught a couple years ago. Everyone had scored between 30-65 points (it's a curve, so that 65 was an A). Except one guy. This one guy had a 96. He had to get permission from the registrar and the dean to take the kid out of the curve just so everyone else would be fairly graded. The kid got an A+*. He did the same thing two more times in that professor's upper division classes. The guy was the #1 of his graduating class. To paraphrase the professor's description of him "He's a nice enough guy, just a bit odd. Not very social. He wound up working in corner office of a big law firm downtown doing transactional work. I went to see him and he told me his day consisted of people slipping paper under his door and him cranking out work product, leaving his office to go to the bathroom, eat or go home. Minimal interaction with people; he gets paid a ton of money, and he's happy."




I have more words of advice, but my browser keeps closing so I don't want to have to retype everything...

You may have noticed I mentioned having a support system and/or iron will to survive. Law school is hard. But life doesn't put itself on hold because you are taking class. You may get sick. Your (grand)parents may die. Your heart may be broken. Your car may breakdown. You're friends may come to you with problems of their own. Bills will have to be paid.

You may think you're unbeatable; you may think you have the mental and physical fortitude to power through the hardest 9 months you've had to deal with up to this point. Maybe you are all those things. Maybe not. For some people, will is enough. For others, friends/family/significant-others help you clear those obstacles. They help you keep things in perspective.

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Re: Loyola Law School - Los Angeles 1L (2L), Taking Questions

Postby stowhat » Thu Jun 30, 2011 5:13 pm

NoleinNY wrote:*Take good notes. Specifically, take notes appropriate for the professor. Sometimes, it's best to take notes in a sort of proto-outline format with a separate set of notes just for cases. Sometimes the professor will provide you with a template and you just fill in the blanks, etc. You should be able to figure out in the first few weeks which style works for whom.


Did you take your notes on a computer or by hand? And which would you recommend?

And thank you - this is really helpful.



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