OperaSoprano wrote: nygrrrl wrote: akcorps wrote:
Gemini wrote:Ah, I'm here. Unless it's been changed, these go to the top 15 students all inclusive, day and evening. The award was $5,000, which is more a token of recognition. It's an honor, but Fordham can't really stop people from going in that sense if they want or need to go. If your grades are that good, you are set. Despite my non
Wilkinson GPA, I was advisor to a couple of people. (Word to the wise- if this is you, do not tell people. You will have fantastic options and you don't need to transfer to exercise them, though some of my friends did. FYR we estimated the grade threshold to be about top 3%, but we would need one of the old math wizards in here to slap a GPA on that. I am estimating north of 3.75, but as you know, we don't have much grade inflation.
This is really interesting to me. No doubt your options are great when you at the top of any class, but especially so the higher the tier you are attending. There are repeated posts here and elsewhere that talk about the horrors of trying to pry your first year grades out of your school in time to apply as a transfer. The general thinking is that schools want to retain their top students (understandably), and this creates an opportunity for high performing students to either push for more aid from their present school, or go to a higher ranked school (there is a thread here on TLS that states to go from a first tier into HYS would require something like top 1-5% and for CCN the cutoff would be like 8-10%). That being said, the new school would not give you any aid to come (officially, but I suspect this may not be true for everyone) creating a disincentive to transfer up, especially out of a school like Fordham where the top of the class will have great opportunities already.
It seems to me that while you might be able to argue effectively with a T2 or T3 that is already generous with aid, Fordham is in a class of its own where these rules do not apply. For someone like Gemini who really needs the $, I am not sure 5k is going to be much of a incentive above and beyond the opportunities available to someone at the top of the class anyway. I would have thought it would be more, but it seems to me that the majority of high GPAs (clearly there are exceptions, OS is one example) are probably already getting good aid.
I think it seems like a bad idea to come to a school with the idea that you will make the top of your class unless you have a good reason to think it will be so. The only indicator that is generally held to be reliable is your LSAT score, but this is not a perfect indicator (I don't know OS's score, but I do know she had problems with aid, so I am figuring it was not above Fordham's 75%, and thus she is an outlier. So, they do exist, and this is why LSAT scores remain a problematic predictor, and yet the best we have!). As this is the best, if imperfect, indicator, the problem is that generally those who did well and are expected to do well probably received merit aid to begin with. Thus, the Wilkinson Scholarship would, at least in theory, seem to reward those who probably need it need it to a lesser degree.
In summation, the Wilkinson Scholarship is helpful, but isn't enough of a reward to take such a big chance on getting. The real rewards of being at the top of your class are the opportunities it provides (employment, transfer, etc.), but I wouldn't go to school betting you will be at the top of your class.
Just my 2 cents.