Re: WUSTL Recent Grad (and others) Taking Questions
Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 4:41 pm
Do students at other schools argue about literally everything or is this a WUSTL-specific phenomenon?
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Idk, I def think private firms are doable outside of big/"mid" law.MarkinKansasCity wrote:I take it you're shooting for public interest work.cm_burns wrote:Some of us are satisfied with median grades. Some of us aren't autistic gunners banking on biglaw giving meaning to their pathetic, miserable existences. Some of us have thousands of posts on Top-Law-Schools.com and live for percentile cutoffs.TatteredDignity wrote:
Isn't an A- basically median? Maybe they've killed the grade inflation since I graduated.
Things you are unlikely to get from Wustl at median:
Private firm job
Decent clerkship
In house job
What exactly is your goal at the end of the rainbow?
acr wrote:Do students at other schools argue about literally everything or is this a WUSTL-specific phenomenon?
It's possible, but unlikely. Large firms do almost all of the hiring of new grads. Midlaw firms tend to hire very few, and most small firms won't even consider new grads. If you want to start at a private firm, biglaw is your best bet because their business model incorporates absorbing the cost of training brand new lawyers.sublime wrote:Idk, I def think private firms are doable outside of big/"mid" law.MarkinKansasCity wrote:I take it you're shooting for public interest work.cm_burns wrote:Some of us are satisfied with median grades. Some of us aren't autistic gunners banking on biglaw giving meaning to their pathetic, miserable existences. Some of us have thousands of posts on Top-Law-Schools.com and live for percentile cutoffs.TatteredDignity wrote:
Isn't an A- basically median? Maybe they've killed the grade inflation since I graduated.
Things you are unlikely to get from Wustl at median:
Private firm job
Decent clerkship
In house job
What exactly is your goal at the end of the rainbow?
MarkinKansasCity wrote:It's possible, but unlikely. Large firms do almost all of the hiring of new grads. Midlaw firms tend to hire very few, and most small firms won't even consider new grads. If you want to start at a private firm, biglaw is your best bet because their business model incorporates absorbing the cost of training brand new lawyers.sublime wrote:Idk, I def think private firms are doable outside of big/"mid" law.MarkinKansasCity wrote:I take it you're shooting for public interest work.cm_burns wrote:Some of us are satisfied with median grades. Some of us aren't autistic gunners banking on biglaw giving meaning to their pathetic, miserable existences. Some of us have thousands of posts on Top-Law-Schools.com and live for percentile cutoffs.TatteredDignity wrote:
Isn't an A- basically median? Maybe they've killed the grade inflation since I graduated.
Things you are unlikely to get from Wustl at median:
Private firm job
Decent clerkship
In house job
What exactly is your goal at the end of the rainbow?
Rainbow, eh? Nice subtle condescension. My goal is private firm. If what you're saying is true, then 50% or more of the WUSTL class either gets nothing or does PI/GOV work. But I'm the one believing in fantasy.MarkinKansasCity wrote:I take it you're shooting for public interest work.cm_burns wrote:Some of us are satisfied with median grades. Some of us aren't autistic gunners banking on biglaw giving meaning to their pathetic, miserable existences. Some of us have thousands of posts on Top-Law-Schools.com and live for percentile cutoffs.TatteredDignity wrote:
Isn't an A- basically median? Maybe they've killed the grade inflation since I graduated.
Things you are unlikely to get from Wustl at median:
Private firm job
Decent clerkship
In house job
What exactly is your goal at the end of the rainbow?
http://thirdtierreality.blogspot.com/20 ... ngton.htmlcm_burns wrote:Rainbow, eh? Nice subtle condescension. My goal is private firm. If what you're saying is true, then 50% or more of the WUSTL class either gets nothing or does PI/GOV work. But I'm the one believing in fantasy.MarkinKansasCity wrote:I take it you're shooting for public interest work.cm_burns wrote:Some of us are satisfied with median grades. Some of us aren't autistic gunners banking on biglaw giving meaning to their pathetic, miserable existences. Some of us have thousands of posts on Top-Law-Schools.com and live for percentile cutoffs.TatteredDignity wrote:
Isn't an A- basically median? Maybe they've killed the grade inflation since I graduated.
Things you are unlikely to get from Wustl at median:
Private firm job
Decent clerkship
In house job
What exactly is your goal at the end of the rainbow?
Wouldn't have guessed that. My perspective is also likely skewed based on my home market, which almost certainly isn't broadly representative of anything.sublime wrote:MarkinKansasCity wrote:It's possible, but unlikely. Large firms do almost all of the hiring of new grads. Midlaw firms tend to hire very few, and most small firms won't even consider new grads. If you want to start at a private firm, biglaw is your best bet because their business model incorporates absorbing the cost of training brand new lawyers.sublime wrote:Idk, I def think private firms are doable outside of big/"mid" law.MarkinKansasCity wrote:I take it you're shooting for public interest work.cm_burns wrote:Some of us are satisfied with median grades. Some of us aren't autistic gunners banking on biglaw giving meaning to their pathetic, miserable existences. Some of us have thousands of posts on Top-Law-Schools.com and live for percentile cutoffs.TatteredDignity wrote:
Isn't an A- basically median? Maybe they've killed the grade inflation since I graduated.
Things you are unlikely to get from Wustl at median:
Private firm job
Decent clerkship
In house job
What exactly is your goal at the end of the rainbow?
I get what you are saying, but the LST data seems to rebut it. It looks like a full 20ish% of the class went to smaller firms:
http://www.lstscorereports.com/schools/ ... yers/2015/
I retract? I'm not sure where your home market is, but if you talked like that in my home market of Detroit you'd get slapped at least. Maybe even killed.MarkinKansasCity wrote:Wouldn't have guessed that. My perspective is also likely skewed based on my home market, which almost certainly isn't broadly representative of anything.sublime wrote:MarkinKansasCity wrote:It's possible, but unlikely. Large firms do almost all of the hiring of new grads. Midlaw firms tend to hire very few, and most small firms won't even consider new grads. If you want to start at a private firm, biglaw is your best bet because their business model incorporates absorbing the cost of training brand new lawyers.sublime wrote:Idk, I def think private firms are doable outside of big/"mid" law.MarkinKansasCity wrote:I take it you're shooting for public interest work.cm_burns wrote:Some of us are satisfied with median grades. Some of us aren't autistic gunners banking on biglaw giving meaning to their pathetic, miserable existences. Some of us have thousands of posts on Top-Law-Schools.com and live for percentile cutoffs.TatteredDignity wrote:
Isn't an A- basically median? Maybe they've killed the grade inflation since I graduated.
Things you are unlikely to get from Wustl at median:
Private firm job
Decent clerkship
In house job
What exactly is your goal at the end of the rainbow?
I get what you are saying, but the LST data seems to rebut it. It looks like a full 20ish% of the class went to smaller firms:
http://www.lstscorereports.com/schools/ ... yers/2015/
I retract.
Settle down there skippy.cm_burns wrote:I retract? I'm not sure where your home market is, but if you talked like that in my home market of Detroit you'd get slapped at least. Maybe even killed.
Nah, he's gotta establish himself as a snitch first, at minimum.MarkinKansasCity wrote:Settle down there skippy.cm_burns wrote:I retract? I'm not sure where your home market is, but if you talked like that in my home market of Detroit you'd get slapped at least. Maybe even killed.
Misdirected anger, much?cm_burns wrote:I received an A- in con law heavily relying on Cherminsky, ass. There's no need to condescend, not everyone has the same study habits or learning style. You must be K-JD and not know you can get hurt over things like this in real life situations.Joscellin wrote:I'll keep my 'pay attention, read, and take good notes' 'A' cake, thanks.xxLawSchoolIsHardxx wrote:Would you rather have a 'B' cake with some nice layers, or a 2.68 cake with a pile of shit on top of it?Joscellin wrote:Chemerinsky is like Sara Lee. It'll make a perfectly adequate 'B' cake, but never an A+ cakewhatwhatinthebutt wrote:At one point during class he analogized Chemerinsky to smack. Law was entertaining. Great class, but I think a lot of people missed how tongue-in-cheek he was.valen wrote:Someone was in Con Law with Professor Lawwhatwhatinthebutt wrote:Chemerinsky is a hornbook law hack who sells students a false narrative of black letter constitutional law, which doesn't exist. If you read his supplements you'll have no clue how the Supreme Court actually works and Satan will rule the Earth. Don't do it kids.
I missed this somehow. I have no idea what personal issues you have going on, but chill the fuck out. No one having a discussion about law school grades or study habits is going to get physically violent over it, unless maybe you will, in which case you should probably work on that.cm_burns wrote: I received an A- in con law heavily relying on Cherminsky, ass. There's no need to condescend, not everyone has the same study habits or learning style. You must be K-JD and not know you can get hurt over things like this in real life situations.
You are (maybe) outing yourself with your comments, very, very few people at Wustl talk like thiscm_burns wrote: I received an A- in con law heavily relying on Cherminsky, ass. There's no need to condescend, not everyone has the same study habits or learning style. You must be K-JD and not know you can get hurt over things like this in real life situations.
nopeaspire2esquire wrote:About to buy a used book, do I need the 'online code' for law school?
I intentionally spelled it as "Eerie Doctrine" on my exam. That Gasparini/Shady Grove combo is a real doozy. Excited to talk about it with my interviewer as I avoid eye contact at my next screener, no doubt.FuturePaulClement wrote:Nothing is more stressful than interviewing with an A- on your transcript. I had an A- in Civ Pro and I absolutely got grilled by this woman from Unicef. She asked me cynical questions like if I took my studies seriously. Then she asked me to recite the principal cases of the Erie Doctrine. It was rough, but thankfully I have an excellent memory.
I have the same problem. Prolonged eye contact makes me nervous so I generally try to avoid it. However, numerous studies have shown that eye contact gives interviewers the impression of confidence more than any other factor. Accordingly, I always maintain direct, uninterrupted eye contact with my screener for the duration of the interview. I recommend our rising 2Ls do the same.Jmart082 wrote:I intentionally spelled it as "Eerie Doctrine" on my exam. That Gasparini/Shady Grove combo is a real doozy. Excited to talk about it with my interviewer as I avoid eye contact at my next screener, no doubt.FuturePaulClement wrote:Nothing is more stressful than interviewing with an A- on your transcript. I had an A- in Civ Pro and I absolutely got grilled by this woman from Unicef. She asked me cynical questions like if I took my studies seriously. Then she asked me to recite the principal cases of the Erie Doctrine. It was rough, but thankfully I have an excellent memory.
Careful with that. Some of the firms I've interviewed with have started throwing in a curveball into their screening process by having the initial screener conducted by the firm's designated hottie. Prolonged eye contact in this situation may give the impression that you're imposing the "male gaze" on her, as opposed to projecting confidence..FuturePaulClement wrote:I have the same problem. Prolonged eye contact makes me nervous so I generally try to avoid it. However, numerous studies have shown that eye contact gives interviewers the impression of confidence more than any other factor. Accordingly, I always maintain direct, uninterrupted eye contact with my screener for the duration of the interview. I recommend our rising 2Ls do the same.Jmart082 wrote:I intentionally spelled it as "Eerie Doctrine" on my exam. That Gasparini/Shady Grove combo is a real doozy. Excited to talk about it with my interviewer as I avoid eye contact at my next screener, no doubt.FuturePaulClement wrote:Nothing is more stressful than interviewing with an A- on your transcript. I had an A- in Civ Pro and I absolutely got grilled by this woman from Unicef. She asked me cynical questions like if I took my studies seriously. Then she asked me to recite the principal cases of the Erie Doctrine. It was rough, but thankfully I have an excellent memory.
In real life if someone is saying "I'm happy with the A- I got in Con law" and a person they don't know jumps in and says "A- is essentially median, median grades get you nothing from Wash U!", certain things can happen from there. You could get yourself into a certain type of situation. Either you're oblivious because of a sheletered upbringing, or are talking slick behind the safety of a computer. There's no need to be a jerk.MarkinKansasCity wrote:I missed this somehow. I have no idea what personal issues you have going on, but chill the fuck out. No one having a discussion about law school grades or study habits is going to get physically violent over it, unless maybe you will, in which case you should probably work on that.cm_burns wrote: I received an A- in con law heavily relying on Cherminsky, ass. There's no need to condescend, not everyone has the same study habits or learning style. You must be K-JD and not know you can get hurt over things like this in real life situations.
Get out of here with your sexist trash talk. Screeners are people too ya know.Jmart082 wrote:Careful with that. Some of the firms I've interviewed with have started throwing in a curveball into their screening process by having the initial screener conducted by the firm's designated hottie. Prolonged eye contact in this situation may give the impression that you're imposing the "male gaze" on her, as opposed to projecting confidence..FuturePaulClement wrote:I have the same problem. Prolonged eye contact makes me nervous so I generally try to avoid it. However, numerous studies have shown that eye contact gives interviewers the impression of confidence more than any other factor. Accordingly, I always maintain direct, uninterrupted eye contact with my screener for the duration of the interview. I recommend our rising 2Ls do the same.Jmart082 wrote:I intentionally spelled it as "Eerie Doctrine" on my exam. That Gasparini/Shady Grove combo is a real doozy. Excited to talk about it with my interviewer as I avoid eye contact at my next screener, no doubt.FuturePaulClement wrote:Nothing is more stressful than interviewing with an A- on your transcript. I had an A- in Civ Pro and I absolutely got grilled by this woman from Unicef. She asked me cynical questions like if I took my studies seriously. Then she asked me to recite the principal cases of the Erie Doctrine. It was rough, but thankfully I have an excellent memory.
First, I only said the first part of the bolded, not the second. I certainly wasn't deriding medial grades, which are, by definition, the expected outcome.cm_burns wrote: In real life if someone is saying "I'm happy with the A- I got in Con law" and a person they don't know jumps in and says "A- is essentially median, median grades get you nothing from Wash U!", certain things can happen from there. You could get yourself into a certain type of situation. Either you're oblivious because of a sheletered upbringing, or are talking slick behind the safety of a computer. There's no need to be a jerk.