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Re: WUSTL Recent Grad (and others) Taking Questions

Postby RareExports » Tue Jul 12, 2016 10:38 am

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robert88 wrote:Will we get an email if/when selected for an interview for either OCI or the other programs?

Yes.

ETA: I found though that last year, I would sometimes get the email notification later than the pre-select was posted on the program website. Not saying you should sit around refreshing pages, but if some of them start to trickle out, check them every now and again. Interviews are first come first serve, so you don't want to lag with signing-up.

Does first-come-first-serve mean that more interview offers are extended than are spots available?

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Postby PeanutsNJam » Tue Jul 12, 2016 10:42 am

RareExports wrote:
Sprout wrote:
robert88 wrote:Will we get an email if/when selected for an interview for either OCI or the other programs?

Yes.

ETA: I found though that last year, I would sometimes get the email notification later than the pre-select was posted on the program website. Not saying you should sit around refreshing pages, but if some of them start to trickle out, check them every now and again. Interviews are first come first serve, so you don't want to lag with signing-up.

Does first-come-first-serve mean that more interview offers are extended than are spots available?


No I think it's just preferable time slots are first come first serve. They offer as many interviews as there are slots.

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Postby njdevils2626 » Tue Jul 12, 2016 10:57 am

PeanutsNJam wrote:
RareExports wrote:
Sprout wrote:
robert88 wrote:Will we get an email if/when selected for an interview for either OCI or the other programs?

Yes.

ETA: I found though that last year, I would sometimes get the email notification later than the pre-select was posted on the program website. Not saying you should sit around refreshing pages, but if some of them start to trickle out, check them every now and again. Interviews are first come first serve, so you don't want to lag with signing-up.

Does first-come-first-serve mean that more interview offers are extended than are spots available?


No I think it's just preferable time slots are first come first serve. They offer as many interviews as there are slots.


Yeah, it's not about signing up early to ensure you get an interview slot, that's guaranteed. But it is about getting the specific time slot that you want

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Postby robert88 » Tue Jul 12, 2016 11:14 am

Anyone knows what is happening to CCD? We only have two career strategists left....

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Postby robert88 » Tue Jul 12, 2016 11:16 am

njdevils2626 wrote:
PeanutsNJam wrote:
RareExports wrote:
Sprout wrote:
robert88 wrote:Will we get an email if/when selected for an interview for either OCI or the other programs?

Yes.

ETA: I found though that last year, I would sometimes get the email notification later than the pre-select was posted on the program website. Not saying you should sit around refreshing pages, but if some of them start to trickle out, check them every now and again. Interviews are first come first serve, so you don't want to lag with signing-up.

Does first-come-first-serve mean that more interview offers are extended than are spots available?


No I think it's just preferable time slots are first come first serve. They offer as many interviews as there are slots.


Yeah, it's not about signing up early to ensure you get an interview slot, that's guaranteed. But it is about getting the specific time slot that you want


Would it be a problem for someone that has multiple interviews because of schedule conflicts?

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Postby sublime » Tue Jul 12, 2016 11:19 am

Yes, having multiple interviews at the same time is a problem.

Try to avoid it, but if you can't, talk to CSO, they will help you fix it.

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Postby RareExports » Tue Jul 12, 2016 11:28 am

robert88 wrote:Anyone knows what is happening to CCD? We only have two career strategists left....

At least 5 strategists and a secretary-type person have left in the past couple months. They recently hired a new assistant dean. As far as I know, there are 3 strategists left, a secretary, and the (now) two deans.

ETA: And this is with all of the turnover last year, too. I'm not sure any strategists that were here 12 months ago still are.

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Postby valen » Tue Jul 12, 2016 11:35 am

sublime wrote:Yes, having multiple interviews at the same time is a problem.

Try to avoid it, but if you can't, talk to CSO, they will help you fix it.

So if the only time slots you have available do overlap, it's best to schedule it anyway and try to get CSO to help out after?

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Postby sublime » Tue Jul 12, 2016 11:38 am

valen wrote:
sublime wrote:Yes, having multiple interviews at the same time is a problem.

Try to avoid it, but if you can't, talk to CSO, they will help you fix it.

So if the only time slots you have available do overlap, it's best to schedule it anyway and try to get CSO to help out after?



Yea, I would go ahead and schedule and email cso. You don't want them to think that you don't want the slot.

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Postby PeanutsNJam » Tue Jul 12, 2016 3:56 pm

Anybody know if it's at all possible to get district, or even circuit clerkships in 9th, 2nd, or maybe DC?

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Postby robert88 » Tue Jul 12, 2016 4:04 pm

PeanutsNJam wrote:Anybody know if it's at all possible to get district, or even circuit clerkships in 9th, 2nd, or maybe DC?


I know some people from c/o 2016 got COA clerkships on the 8th, 6th. Not sure about the 2nd and 9th.

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Postby hoos89 » Tue Jul 12, 2016 4:04 pm

PeanutsNJam wrote:Anybody know if it's at all possible to get district, or even circuit clerkships in 9th, 2nd, or maybe DC?


All of those circuits would be a stretch, especially if you're not in the top handful of people in the class. Not counting staff clerks, one person has gotten 2nd, 6 have gotten 9th, and none have gotten DC. And that's all-time (not counting c/o 2016). Doesn't hurt to apply though.

http://law.wustl.edu/career_services/Ju ... ip2015.pdf

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Postby Cellar-door » Tue Jul 12, 2016 4:37 pm

RareExports wrote:
robert88 wrote:Anyone knows what is happening to CCD? We only have two career strategists left....

At least 5 strategists and a secretary-type person have left in the past couple months. They recently hired a new assistant dean. As far as I know, there are 3 strategists left, a secretary, and the (now) two deans.

ETA: And this is with all of the turnover last year, too. I'm not sure any strategists that were here 12 months ago still are.

I think Laura M is the only one.

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Postby TatteredDignity » Tue Jul 12, 2016 5:01 pm

PeanutsNJam wrote:Anybody know if it's at all possible to get district, or even circuit clerkships in 9th, 2nd, or maybe DC?


One data point: I had a ninth circuit interview, but no offer. Not sure how many others were interviewed/how close I was. No ties, no calls, no prior WUSTL clerks.

Here's my (unsolicited) take on transferring from the top of the class for clerkships: if you're in the top 5-10 people, you've got a pretty good chance at 5/6/8/10. The problem with 2/9/DC, in addition to generally being more competitive, is that we just don't seem to have profs with ties to those circuits. That's the only way I can explain the placement difference between us and, say, Vandy, who places clerks on the DC circuit. You're essentially banking on establishing such a connection at your new school, which may not be within your control.

Also, not that you asked, but if clerking is a factor in your transferring calculus, the distinction between 2/9/DC and any other COA should be waaaay down the list. Many current/former clerks on TLS will tell you the same.

As for district court clerkships, it's a lot harder to generalize. Judge Otero in LA regularly hires WUSTL students, and I'm sure there are others.

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Postby robert88 » Tue Jul 12, 2016 5:08 pm

TatteredDignity wrote:
PeanutsNJam wrote:Anybody know if it's at all possible to get district, or even circuit clerkships in 9th, 2nd, or maybe DC?


One data point: I had a ninth circuit interview, but no offer. Not sure how many others were interviewed/how close I was. No ties, no calls, no prior WUSTL clerks.

Here's my (unsolicited) take on transferring from the top of the class for clerkships: if you're in the top 5-10 people, you've got a pretty good chance at 5/6/8/10. The problem with 2/9/DC, in addition to generally being more competitive, is that we just don't seem to have profs with ties to those circuits. That's the only way I can explain the placement difference between us and, say, Vandy, who places clerks on the DC circuit. You're essentially banking on establishing such a connection at your new school, which may not be within your control.

Also, not that you asked, but if clerking is a factor in your transferring calculus, the distinction between 2/9/DC and any other COA should be waaaay down the list. Many current/former clerks on TLS will tell you the same.

As for district court clerkships, it's a lot harder to generalize. Judge Otero in LA regularly hires WUSTL students, and I'm sure there are others.


Do you know anything about the federal circuit?

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Postby PeanutsNJam » Tue Jul 12, 2016 5:17 pm

TatteredDignity wrote:
PeanutsNJam wrote:Anybody know if it's at all possible to get district, or even circuit clerkships in 9th, 2nd, or maybe DC?


One data point: I had a ninth circuit interview, but no offer. Not sure how many others were interviewed/how close I was. No ties, no calls, no prior WUSTL clerks.

Here's my (unsolicited) take on transferring from the top of the class for clerkships: if you're in the top 5-10 people, you've got a pretty good chance at 5/6/8/10. The problem with 2/9/DC, in addition to generally being more competitive, is that we just don't seem to have profs with ties to those circuits. That's the only way I can explain the placement difference between us and, say, Vandy, who places clerks on the DC circuit. You're essentially banking on establishing such a connection at your new school, which may not be within your control.

Also, not that you asked, but if clerking is a factor in your transferring calculus, the distinction between 2/9/DC and any other COA should be waaaay down the list. Many current/former clerks on TLS will tell you the same.

As for district court clerkships, it's a lot harder to generalize. Judge Otero in LA regularly hires WUSTL students, and I'm sure there are others.


I'm not transferring because I'm not getting in to H/S lol (not for lack of grades, unfortunately). Do you think the WUSTL name would be a hindrance if I try to clerk a few years after working in biglaw? Should I try to get a district clerkship in SDCA asap after law school? Part of me wants to work a bit and save some money before clerking.

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Postby sublime » Tue Jul 12, 2016 5:21 pm

PeanutsNJam wrote:
TatteredDignity wrote:
PeanutsNJam wrote:Anybody know if it's at all possible to get district, or even circuit clerkships in 9th, 2nd, or maybe DC?


One data point: I had a ninth circuit interview, but no offer. Not sure how many others were interviewed/how close I was. No ties, no calls, no prior WUSTL clerks.

Here's my (unsolicited) take on transferring from the top of the class for clerkships: if you're in the top 5-10 people, you've got a pretty good chance at 5/6/8/10. The problem with 2/9/DC, in addition to generally being more competitive, is that we just don't seem to have profs with ties to those circuits. That's the only way I can explain the placement difference between us and, say, Vandy, who places clerks on the DC circuit. You're essentially banking on establishing such a connection at your new school, which may not be within your control.

Also, not that you asked, but if clerking is a factor in your transferring calculus, the distinction between 2/9/DC and any other COA should be waaaay down the list. Many current/former clerks on TLS will tell you the same.

As for district court clerkships, it's a lot harder to generalize. Judge Otero in LA regularly hires WUSTL students, and I'm sure there are others.


I'm not transferring because I'm not getting in to H/S lol (not for lack of grades, unfortunately). Do you think the WUSTL name would be a hindrance if I try to clerk a few years after working in biglaw? Should I try to get a district clerkship in SDCA asap after law school? Part of me wants to work a bit and save some money before clerking.



Working a few years then reapplying seemed common at least for SDNY and EDNY. No idea how that affects the WUSTL name though.

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Postby TatteredDignity » Tue Jul 12, 2016 5:41 pm

robert88 wrote:Do you know anything about the federal circuit?


No personal knowledge, sorry. I know it's a tough get without a hard science UG degree.

PeanutsNJam wrote:I'm not transferring because I'm not getting in to H/S lol (not for lack of grades, unfortunately). Do you think the WUSTL name would be a hindrance if I try to clerk a few years after working in biglaw? Should I try to get a district clerkship in SDCA asap after law school? Part of me wants to work a bit and save some money before clerking.


I don't know why the WUSTL name would be any more of a "hindrance" as an alumnus than as a student. If anything, a name-brand biglaw firm will improve the "prestige" factor of your resume and make you more competitive. Speaking from personal experience, I had several COA interviews in law school but no offers. I landed COA after two years at a tiny firm in a tertiary market. I'm sure a stint in big law would be even more helpful.

As for money, you can find lots of TLS threads about this, but you lose more money clerking as an alumnus because you're missing a 3rd year salary rather than a 1st year. That's slightly offset by the fact that you'll be paid more as a clerk, but not enough to fully offset. That said, it is nice to have the benefit of two years of savings.

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Postby PeanutsNJam » Tue Jul 12, 2016 5:58 pm

Is 3rd year the latest you can reasonably get a clerkship? Would you be disadvantaged if you tried to clerk around the same time you'd exit biglaw (4-5 year)? I want to clerk more for the sake of doing it than for a biglaw pay bump.

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Postby robert88 » Tue Jul 12, 2016 6:26 pm

TatteredDignity wrote:
robert88 wrote:Do you know anything about the federal circuit?


No personal knowledge, sorry. I know it's a tough get without a hard science UG degree.

PeanutsNJam wrote:I'm not transferring because I'm not getting in to H/S lol (not for lack of grades, unfortunately). Do you think the WUSTL name would be a hindrance if I try to clerk a few years after working in biglaw? Should I try to get a district clerkship in SDCA asap after law school? Part of me wants to work a bit and save some money before clerking.


I don't know why the WUSTL name would be any more of a "hindrance" as an alumnus than as a student. If anything, a name-brand biglaw firm will improve the "prestige" factor of your resume and make you more competitive. Speaking from personal experience, I had several COA interviews in law school but no offers. I landed COA after two years at a tiny firm in a tertiary market. I'm sure a stint in big law would be even more helpful.

As for money, you can find lots of TLS threads about this, but you lose more money clerking as an alumnus because you're missing a 3rd year salary rather than a 1st year. That's slightly offset by the fact that you'll be paid more as a clerk, but not enough to fully offset. That said, it is nice to have the benefit of two years of savings.


Who should I talk to at the CCD if I am interested in a clerkship position after graduation?

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Postby TatteredDignity » Tue Jul 12, 2016 6:27 pm

PeanutsNJam wrote:Is 3rd year the latest you can reasonably get a clerkship? Would you be disadvantaged if you tried to clerk around the same time you'd exit biglaw (4-5 year)? I want to clerk more for the sake of doing it than for a biglaw pay bump.


It certainly happens, but I don't have numbers at my disposal, so I don't know how much of a disadvantage it is, if at all.

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robert88 wrote:
TatteredDignity wrote:
robert88 wrote:Do you know anything about the federal circuit?


No personal knowledge, sorry. I know it's a tough get without a hard science UG degree.

PeanutsNJam wrote:I'm not transferring because I'm not getting in to H/S lol (not for lack of grades, unfortunately). Do you think the WUSTL name would be a hindrance if I try to clerk a few years after working in biglaw? Should I try to get a district clerkship in SDCA asap after law school? Part of me wants to work a bit and save some money before clerking.


I don't know why the WUSTL name would be any more of a "hindrance" as an alumnus than as a student. If anything, a name-brand biglaw firm will improve the "prestige" factor of your resume and make you more competitive. Speaking from personal experience, I had several COA interviews in law school but no offers. I landed COA after two years at a tiny firm in a tertiary market. I'm sure a stint in big law would be even more helpful.

As for money, you can find lots of TLS threads about this, but you lose more money clerking as an alumnus because you're missing a 3rd year salary rather than a 1st year. That's slightly offset by the fact that you'll be paid more as a clerk, but not enough to fully offset. That said, it is nice to have the benefit of two years of savings.


Who should I talk to at the CCD if I am interested in a clerkship position after graduation?


No idea. CSO has completely turned over since I left.

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Postby njdevils2626 » Tue Jul 12, 2016 7:47 pm

robert88 wrote:
Who should I talk to at the CCD if I am interested in a clerkship position after graduation?


Alison Esbeck is supposed to be the clerkship person at CCD, she was decently helpful when I went to see her

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Postby hoos89 » Tue Jul 12, 2016 8:17 pm

PeanutsNJam wrote:Is 3rd year the latest you can reasonably get a clerkship? Would you be disadvantaged if you tried to clerk around the same time you'd exit biglaw (4-5 year)? I want to clerk more for the sake of doing it than for a biglaw pay bump.


I'm not sure I'd wait quite that long, but there are plenty of people who do it after 1-3 years. There are judges who won't hire people straight out of law school. Just keep in mind that you're more likely to be in a stage of your life where it's difficult to just pick up and move somewhere for a year, or live on a clerk's salary.

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Re: WUSTL Recent Grad (and others) Taking Questions

Postby robert88 » Tue Jul 12, 2016 10:08 pm

njdevils2626 wrote:
robert88 wrote:
Who should I talk to at the CCD if I am interested in a clerkship position after graduation?


Alison Esbeck is supposed to be the clerkship person at CCD, she was decently helpful when I went to see her


Alison is leaving by the end of the week though. She has been quite helpful.




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