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Postby acr » Sun Aug 06, 2017 6:45 pm

PeanutsNJam wrote:
acr wrote:


I'd remove the quote of the troll post. It'd be nice to keep this thread reasonably clean and helpful for 0Ls/1Ls.


nah, I think I'll leave it. But thanks for the suggestion.

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Re: WUSTL Recent Grad (and others) Taking Questions

Postby whatwhatinthebutt » Mon Aug 07, 2017 1:51 am

PeanutsNJam wrote:
acr wrote:


I'd remove the quote of the troll post. It'd be nice to keep this thread reasonably clean and helpful for 0Ls/1Ls.

[edited for outing and banned]

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Postby PeanutsNJam » Mon Aug 07, 2017 10:27 am

Not sure what that guy had against me but lol ok.

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Postby JD_Kingfish » Mon Aug 07, 2017 10:38 am

lol that escalated quickly

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Re: WUSTL Recent Grad (and others) Taking Questions

Postby Reid-Bailey » Wed Aug 09, 2017 5:18 pm

Any advice on finding more information on the professors I got? Rate my professor isn't all that helpful.

I got Greenfield, Sachs, and Tamanaha if anyone wants to share their personal experience.

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Postby Joscellin » Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:48 pm

Reid-Bailey wrote:Any advice on finding more information on the professors I got? Rate my professor isn't all that helpful.

I got Greenfield, Sachs, and Tamanaha if anyone wants to share their personal experience.


I didn't have any of these three, but Greenfield and Tamanaha in particular are WUSTL legends, though with wildly different personalities.

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Postby sirenade » Thu Aug 10, 2017 12:08 am

Reid-Bailey wrote:Any advice on finding more information on the professors I got? Rate my professor isn't all that helpful.

I got Greenfield, Sachs, and Tamanaha if anyone wants to share their personal experience.


Sachs and Tamanaha are amazing! They are very good at teaching and would tell you exactly what they want. Sachs is more policy-oriented and there were a lot of econ theories. Tamanaha is pure issue spotter and the cold call can be very intimidating, so get prepared!

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Postby splitterfromhell » Thu Aug 10, 2017 7:34 am

sirenade wrote:
Reid-Bailey wrote:Any advice on finding more information on the professors I got? Rate my professor isn't all that helpful.

I got Greenfield, Sachs, and Tamanaha if anyone wants to share their personal experience.


Sachs and Tamanaha are amazing! They are very good at teaching and would tell you exactly what they want. Sachs is more policy-oriented and there were a lot of econ theories. Tamanaha is pure issue spotter and the cold call can be very intimidating, so get prepared!


Tamanaha tells you exactly what you need to know for the exam, and while he insists it isn't a typing race, typing fast definitely helps. Sachs is a rising star.

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Postby vasgo_pajamas » Fri Aug 11, 2017 1:21 am

How about Hollander-Blumoff?

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Postby PeanutsNJam » Fri Aug 11, 2017 11:08 pm

vasgo_pajamas wrote:How about Hollander-Blumoff?


She's amazing. I thought Civ Pro would be the most boring thing ever, but she managed to make me think it was super interesting. Her exams are very straightforward and by-the-book. That means that typing speed is a significant factor, though.

Also second everything everyone has said about Greenfield and Tamanaha. They're amazing. Didn't have Sachs.

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Re: WUSTL Recent Grad (and others) Taking Questions

Postby waldorf » Tue Aug 15, 2017 4:45 pm

Opinions on Baker?

Best supplements for Baker's Contracts, Sachs' Property, and Tamanaha's Torts classes?

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Postby Lxw » Wed Aug 16, 2017 1:02 am

PeanutsNJam wrote:For the 0Ls, I'll share the class/prof combos I had and whether supplements are helpful:

Greenfield/Contracts - Supplements are unhelpful. In fact, I think they may be counter productive. Greenfield is very particular.


FWIW when I had Greenfield, I used the Farnsworth treatise on Contracts and that was the best grade I got that semester (and I made Dean's list that semester).

LaPierre/Con Law - Chemerinsky is helpful only to the extent it provides big-picture overview of the doctrines. LaPierre spends half the semester on Commerce Clause and gets into super nitty gritty detail. The supplement won't provide the coverage you need, but does a good job of putting everything in perspective.


From what I remember (I don't know if LaPierre still does this but he probably does) there is a very specific test he wants to see you apply to constitutional law issues. Pay attention during lectures. Chemerinsky isn't necessary (but very helpful to chart through all the cases in Chemerinsky to prepare for the final).

Chemerinsky is pretty useful when you're studying for the bar later so I'd just get it anyway.

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Postby splitterfromhell » Wed Aug 16, 2017 12:43 pm

bwaldorf wrote:Opinions on Baker?

Best supplements for Baker's Contracts, Sachs' Property, and Tamanaha's Torts classes?


You don't need to buy, and probably shouldn't buy, any supplement for Tamanaha.

For Sachs, buy the Emanuel book that is keyed to the Dukeminier book. It's on Amazon.

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Re: WUSTL Recent Grad (and others) Taking Questions

Postby PinkiePieOrDie » Sat Aug 19, 2017 12:04 am

Just got my offer from Wachtell. Thanks for nothing. This thread is literally the epitome of why people hate lawyers and law students. Keep humble bragging amongst yourselves in a pathetic attempt to salvage what's left of your low self esteem.

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Postby BlendedUnicorn » Sat Aug 19, 2017 1:23 am

PinkiePieOrDie wrote:Just got my offer from Wachtell. Thanks for nothing. This thread is literally the epitome of why people hate lawyers and law students. Keep humble bragging amongst yourselves in a pathetic attempt to salvage what's left of your low self esteem.


Weird schtick &b....

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Postby Supersplitteriknow » Sat Sep 23, 2017 8:26 pm

For those of you who went to WUSTL with $$$$ over T14 schools with sticker (super splitters like me), do you regret your choice? How hard is it to leave St Louis and move to NYC/DC PI?

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Postby Sprout » Sat Sep 23, 2017 9:18 pm

Supersplitteriknow wrote:For those of you who went to WUSTL with $$$$ over T14 schools with sticker (super splitters like me), do you regret your choice? How hard is it to leave St Louis and move to NYC/DC PI?

Fucking kill it dude thats the only way I am aware of.

Others welcomed and encouraged to chime in

edit - I don't know one single person from wash u that had a scholarship, didn't do well, and regretted going there

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Re: WUSTL Recent Grad (and others) Taking Questions

Postby RareExports » Sun Sep 24, 2017 10:50 am

Supersplitteriknow wrote:For those of you who went to WUSTL with $$$$ over T14 schools with sticker (super splitters like me), do you regret your choice? How hard is it to leave St Louis and move to NYC/DC PI?

Wash U students regularly do NYC/DC PI (and non-PI) work, but it's not guaranteed. You'll need some sort of narrative/explanation for why you chose to go to law school in the midwest but want to work in NYC/DC and you'll need the grades obviously. It's easier if you're originally from the east coast.

Plenty of Wash U students chose WUSTL scholarships over T14 with sticker (and even with scholarships) and many don't regret it, but it would be foolish to call it a guarantee.

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Postby Supersplitteriknow » Sun Sep 24, 2017 8:17 pm

RareExports wrote:
Supersplitteriknow wrote:For those of you who went to WUSTL with $$$$ over T14 schools with sticker (super splitters like me), do you regret your choice? How hard is it to leave St Louis and move to NYC/DC PI?

Wash U students regularly do NYC/DC PI (and non-PI) work, but it's not guaranteed. You'll need some sort of narrative/explanation for why you chose to go to law school in the midwest but want to work in NYC/DC and you'll need the grades obviously. It's easier if you're originally from the east coast.

Plenty of Wash U students chose WUSTL scholarships over T14 with sticker (and even with scholarships) and many don't regret it, but it would be foolish to call it a guarantee.



What kind of grades? Top 10, 15, 30...?

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Postby RareExports » Sun Sep 24, 2017 10:53 pm

Supersplitteriknow wrote:
RareExports wrote:
Supersplitteriknow wrote:For those of you who went to WUSTL with $$$$ over T14 schools with sticker (super splitters like me), do you regret your choice? How hard is it to leave St Louis and move to NYC/DC PI?

Wash U students regularly do NYC/DC PI (and non-PI) work, but it's not guaranteed. You'll need some sort of narrative/explanation for why you chose to go to law school in the midwest but want to work in NYC/DC and you'll need the grades obviously. It's easier if you're originally from the east coast.

Plenty of Wash U students chose WUSTL scholarships over T14 with sticker (and even with scholarships) and many don't regret it, but it would be foolish to call it a guarantee.



What kind of grades? Top 10, 15, 30...?

Depends what kind of job you want and what kinds of jobs are acceptable. I can't speak to PI, but I imagine there's some jobs that require tip-top grades and some that are grades-insensitive. For firm jobs, top third gives you a good shot, but personal fit/geographic ties will change that person-to-person, and top third is far from a guarantee.

Keep in mind, it's not like your dream job - or even a job you'll be happy with - is a guarantee from many T14 schools. Regardless of school choice, you're gambling some; you'll need to decide what kind of money is worth a downward adjustment in your odds.

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Re: WUSTL Recent Grad (and others) Taking Questions

Postby PeanutsNJam » Mon Sep 25, 2017 1:06 pm

Most recently, WUSTL's biglaw+fed clerk is 45% or something, and I can tell you anecdotally that lots of people with great grades self-select out of biglaw jobs (For DoJ/SLIP/in-house/career clerking).

I think WUSTL with $$$$ is definitely better than T14 at sticker, but the fact remains that, given the same grades, your prospects will be better at a higher ranked school. I don't think that bump is worth like 250k though.

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Re: WUSTL Recent Grad (and others) Taking Questions

Postby typicalsplitter » Tue Oct 03, 2017 11:59 pm

RareExports wrote:
Supersplitteriknow wrote:For those of you who went to WUSTL with $$$$ over T14 schools with sticker (super splitters like me), do you regret your choice? How hard is it to leave St Louis and move to NYC/DC PI?

Wash U students regularly do NYC/DC PI (and non-PI) work, but it's not guaranteed. You'll need some sort of narrative/explanation for why you chose to go to law school in the midwest but want to work in NYC/DC and you'll need the grades obviously. It's easier if you're originally from the east coast.


Purely anecdotally, I'm not sure this is true. I don't remember being asked "Why NY?" at NY interviews. And I think there are compelling DC narratives that don't require anything remotely unique/personal (e.g. something super generic about being interested in public policy). I'd be curious to hear others' thoughts though.

RareExports wrote:
Supersplitteriknow wrote:Plenty of Wash U students chose WUSTL scholarships over T14 with sticker (and even with scholarships) and many don't regret it, but it would be foolish to call it a guarantee.


I don't think it makes sense to turn down money at WUSTL for sticker at T14 unless (1) you absolutely cannot see yourself practicing law in the Midwest or (2) you want to do an appellate clerkship/DOJ honors/something unicorn-ish.

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Re: WUSTL Recent Grad (and others) Taking Questions

Postby OakBrook2021 » Sun Oct 15, 2017 9:04 pm

Are government positions possible to get coming from WUSTL (like DOJ/SEC honors)? Or is the only practical route biglaw lit and then lateraling?

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Postby LET'S GET IT » Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:00 am

OakBrook2021 wrote:Are government positions possible to get coming from WUSTL (like DOJ/SEC honors)? Or is the only practical route biglaw lit and then lateraling?


Some of them come to campus to intercview. I interviewed with the DOL, OCC, and NSA. People get that stuff, but not many people. So I wouldn’t necessarily come to WUSTL planning to get a bigFED gig. Or at least if that is your plan, have a couple backups.




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