WUSTL Recent Grad (and others) Taking Questions Forum

[hoos89]

Anyone know much about Drobak, Magarian,and Osgood?

That's a pretty solid lineup. Drobak is a genuinely nice person and a good teacher, while Osgood is very quirky and will call people out for saying dumb shit (which is usually hilarious). Two of my favorite professors at Wash U. Haven't had Magarian though, but I've heard good things.

[georgej]

While we're on the subject of professors, anyone have the scoop on Rosenbury? I'm pretty excited to have her simply by virtue of her not being konig or mandelker, but I don't know anything substantive besides that.

[bluedolphin]

Also what do WUSTL people generally do there 1L summer?

Mainly judge stuff?

For 1L SA's I assume 5% or 10% is the cutoff for interviews, much less offers correct?

[Birdnals]

Also what do WUSTL people generally do there 1L summer?

Mainly judge stuff?

For 1L SA's I assume 5% or 10% is the cutoff for interviews, much less offers correct?

Or diversity, diversity programs can land 1L's firm jobs, even with not so amazing grades.

Most people I know worked for Prosecutor's/PD's offices, judges, small firms, RA'ed, or worked at non-profit offices. wustl has a stipend which gives ~$3,000 for most 1L unpaid jobs which is nice.

[chuckbass]

Magarian is a phenomenal professor, clerked for Justice Stevens, and is a genius. He also has a 24 hour take home final with a strict 3,000 word limit, and taking that test was easily the worst experience of my law school career. It sucks. Magarian is probably my favorite wustl professor but I will never take another one of his classes because of his finals.


Papa Drobak is a wustl institution and is a great professor. He has a closed book final which will be tough but fair.

Ugh both exams sound awful... So much to look forward to

[MKC]

Also what do WUSTL people generally do there 1L summer?

Mainly judge stuff?

For 1L SA's I assume 5% or 10% is the cutoff for interviews, much less offers correct?

Or diversity, diversity programs can land 1L's firm jobs, even with not so amazing grades.

Most people I know worked for Prosecutor's/PD's offices, judges, small firms, RA'ed, or worked at non-profit offices. wustl has a stipend which gives ~$3,000 for most 1L unpaid jobs which is nice.

In-house is also possible, though rare. Definitely worth a shot though.

[LET'S GET IT]

Also what do WUSTL people generally do there 1L summer?

Mainly judge stuff?

For 1L SA's I assume 5% or 10% is the cutoff for interviews, much less offers correct?

Or diversity, diversity programs can land 1L's firm jobs, even with not so amazing grades.

Most people I know worked for Prosecutor's/PD's offices, judges, small firms, RA'ed, or worked at non-profit offices. wustl has a stipend which gives ~$3,000 for most 1L unpaid jobs which is nice.

What's the deal with the stipend not being available if you work for a judge? Isn't that gov't? I thought I may want to work for a judge this summer, but making no money would kind of suck.

[hoos89]

Ugh both exams sound awful... So much to look forward to

Closed book isn't that bad. Nobody has their outline so you're not expected to remember minor details or case names.

What's the deal with the stipend not being available if you work for a judge? Isn't that gov't? I thought I may want to work for a judge this summer, but making no money would kind of suck.

I'm not sure that it's available for government positions either, besides maybe PD. I don't think you can get it for working at the DA's office, for instance. Working for a judge isn't really "public interest".

[chuckbass]

Yea but the 24 hour take home sounds like hell. Plus, they're both just very different than the ones I've taken, so I'll need to adjust.

[sublime]

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[winemeup]

And advice/info for Levin, Legomsky, or Richards would be greatly appreciated

[TatteredDignity]

And advice/info for Levin

I assume you're asking about civpro. At the risk of sounding like a broken record in this thread, this is another one where simply understanding the material will put you ahead of the curve. People seemed to struggle to work through the nuance of a jurisdictional question. This is one class where an E&E can be really helpful (unlike torts, where the rules are so simple there's no point). Don't even read Pennoyer, it will make you crazy and serves no purpose. Levin had a pretty normal issue spotter.

/random thoughts

[chuckbass]

1L intersession looks like hell since we have class and all the workshops

[Birdnals]

You don't have to go any of the workshops you don't want to. It's not graded so what are they going to do if you miss them? Go to the ones you think are helpful and skip the rest.

[sublime]

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[LET'S GET IT]

Any warnings/tips/advice for: Kim (civpro), Osgood, (crim), La Pierre (con law)? Also, any supps you would recommend for these particular courses/profs. TYIA!

Edit: Also, do they all allow laptops?

[DoveBodyWash]

Any warnings/tips/advice for: Kim (civpro)

1. Don't leave the exam an hour early to get mediocre roast beef with your roommate.
2. Larry Lawyer is never guaranteed.
3. For the past two years she let you bring in an exam outline of sorts into the final with you, i think it's one page double sided. So practice condensing/summarizing the material when you're initially learning it.
4. Buy E&E. It'll help when you get to junk like third-party impleaders, counter/cross claims, and joinder
5. There's an Emmanuel's supplement in the campus bookstore that's keyed to her casebook (the red one, not the supplement u buy at the copy store). Helps with the nightly readings and pulling the important concepts from the readings
6. I didn't use it but my friends found Acing Civ Pro helpful. They all did better than me.

Edit: Also, do they all allow laptops?

Kim didn't. Neither did Legomsky (for those who have him)

[hoos89]

Osgood and La Pierre allowed laptops.

[LET'S GET IT]

Any warnings/tips/advice for: Kim (civpro)

1. Don't leave the exam an hour early to get mediocre roast beef with your roommate.
2. Larry Lawyer is never guaranteed.
3. For the past two years she let you bring in an exam outline of sorts into the final with you, i think it's one page double sided. So practice condensing/summarizing the material when you're initially learning it.
4. Buy E&E. It'll help when you get to junk like third-party impleaders, counter/cross claims, and joinder
5. There's an Emmanuel's supplement in the campus bookstore that's keyed to her casebook (the red one, not the supplement u buy at the copy store). Helps with the nightly readings and pulling the important concepts from the readings
6. I didn't use it but my friends found Acing Civ Pro helpful. They all did better than me.

Edit: Also, do they all allow laptops?

Kim didn't. Neither did Legomsky (for those who have him)

So when I leave the exam an hour early, go with the chicken parm. Got it.

[notedgarfigaro]

Yea but the 24 hour take home sounds like hell. Plus, they're both just very different than the ones I've taken, so I'll need to adjust.

The 24 hour take home is only hell because law school students are insane. If you understand that the 24 hours should include 8 hours of sleep, and have chemeriski by your side, it's actually a pretty nice respite during exams.

[chuckbass]

Yea but the 24 hour take home sounds like hell. Plus, they're both just very different than the ones I've taken, so I'll need to adjust.

The 24 hour take home is only hell because law school students are insane. If you understand that the 24 hours should include 8 hours of sleep, and have chemeriski by your side, it's actually a pretty nice respite during exams.

Ok fair enough. I think change is just scary.

[Pro Brono]

1. Don't leave the exam an hour early to get mediocre roast beef with your roommate.

The most expensive #7 Lion's Choice has ever served.

[LET'S GET IT]

Osgood and La Pierre allowed laptops.

Both standard issue spotter, open book exams?

[chuckbass]

1. Don't leave the exam an hour early to get mediocre roast beef with your roommate.

The most expensive #7 Lion's Choice has ever served.

Lol how much time do you spend lurking TLS buddy?

[DoveBodyWash]

1. Don't leave the exam an hour early to get mediocre roast beef with your roommate.

The most expensive #7 Lion's Choice has ever served.

no..like literally. That was a six figure sandwich + cheese cup.

Osgood and La Pierre allowed laptops.

Both standard issue spotter, open book exams?

Have heard Osgood is all about dat policy/history