delBarco wrote: redsoxfan77 wrote:
dresden doll wrote:You're an incoming student? You didn't think to ask this question months ago, when you first considered attending this abomination of an LS?
Also, someone should check the IP address for red's lulzy screeds. I fear he may be posting from Ave Maria's administrative offices.
Sorry guys, I'm still looking at law schools going to take the Dec LSATs. Ave Maria is still one of the schools I'm looking at, but not the only one. As it stands now only one person has even made a potentially valid critique against the school. The rest seem to be chanting that Ave is an abomination. Not really saying how or why that is. Just that it is. And that it sucks. Though, I do appreciate the maturity for not resulting to personal attacks for my interest in the school.
Guess I feel kinda honored you think I work for the university!
Valid critiques against the school:
1.the employment prospects are god-awful
2.the employment prospects will not improve because
a) it is competing with 11 other law schools in the state
b) Florida has only very secondary legal markets, most of the jobs of which are sucked up by out of state T-14ers and in state LR's
3. the religious stigma scares away employers
4. There is no alumni network, and based on the first 3 reasons, there never will be one to any notable degree
5. a school with no mobility in a state where networking is the key to getting a job, critique 4 gets a whole lot scarier
6. the student quality is as bad as the job prospects
7. it is one of the few law schools in the nation without top-quality staff
In sum: there is absolutely no way in any shape or form by which to judge an institution's quality that Ave Maria is not the rock-bottom-worst. Now, either open your feeble eyes, or quit trolling.
Un/Valid critiques are
1. Job prospects being God-awful. Fairly valid. 82% job placement after 9 months could be better as could salary. Is it "God-awful" I would say not. Then again I apparently notice a fairy tale like mentality of what happens after law school. That this great $150,000 a year job is brought to you by a knight on a white horse. To paraphrase another on the threads here. It's the job market during a depression not the special olympics.
2. A. Job prospects will not improve because there are 11 other Law Schools in the state. Fairly valid statement. Then again show me a valid market that is not overly saturated with Law Schools. Arizona maybe? The thing about Ave Maria was that it fills a gap even though there are 11 other schools in Florida. Namely a conservative Catholic institution in Florida that grants law degrees. St. Thomas in the Miami area really is not striking a chord with this crowd. Given the influx of immigrants to the states (Florida especially) that are traditional Catholics there was market enough for Ave to move there and set up shop. The number of law schools in the state can only heavily impact job prospects from a particular college if they service the same crowd. Put simply, no one else in Florida or much of the country, caters to who Ave Maria caters to. Finally many Ave Maria graduates have always moved across the country to various other job markets.
B. Florida has only very secondary legal markets, most of the jobs of which are sucked up by out of state T-14ers and in state LR's - Valid. Finally, this is your best critique so far.
3. the religious stigma scares away employers - This too is a valid critique. The US has always been anti-Catholic. Anti-religious is still kind of new, but it's here. Then again, to the student who would attend Ave Maria being subject to mindless bigotry is nothing new.
4. There is no alumni network, and based on the first 3 reasons, there never will be one to any notable degree- A partially valid critique. I actually used that argument to explain why initially jobs would be harder to find after Ave. What is not valid is basing the future alumni network based on 3 years worth of history. That is actually quite nonsensical.
5. a school with no mobility in a state where networking is the key to getting a job, critique 4 gets a whole lot scarier - Not particularly valid. Recycled arguments that had been valid, but ignores the actual mobility of the Ave student.
6. the student quality is as bad as the job prospects - A valid critique. Standards could be raised. Once Ave's place is solidified over the next few years admission requirements would surely go up as well. This still does underscore that law school is ultimately the education of the individual. Regardless of how peers perform.
7. it is one of the few law schools in the nation without top-quality staff - Not a valid response. This statement is not backed up in any way and cannot be, given your ignorance of many of the programs that have member ship in the ABA. What would have been a valid response is that there is not a well recognized staff.
It is clear from reading your response that you have little or no actual relevant knowledge of the program and have just based your assumptions on unfit rumors. The only actual valid critiques that you had made were ones I had previously mentioned myself in this very same thread. At least you seem to be trying to contribute to the conversation. It's just that your ignorance is keeping you from adding anything worthwhile.