of Benito Cereno wrote: Also, wondering if JD/PhDs between two universites (CLS /Princeton or Yale) are workable. I know someone doing a Yale JD with a Columbia PhD who applied to both at the same time but I'm unclear how it would work applying to outside PhDs while a 1L.
I'll 2nd most of what disco_barred has said, except to add: Don't even think about doing a Ph.D. if your only goal is to increase your marketability.
If you have a specific topic that you want to spend 5-8 years of your life exploring, then by all means take a Ph.D., but it's silly to spend that much time of your life to a purely instrumental process that will only provide marginal returns.
What the hell, I'll respond to this anyway. I'm trying to put off studying.
It shouldn't take 5-8 years to get a PhD. If it's taking 8 years, you're doing it wrong.
Columbia students do joint degrees with places like Princeton and Yale, and they also go on to get PhDs at Columbia and elsewhere as well. The point is to get writing time and experience. It might be good to do this in a PhD if you also have to take classes in another field anyway. Or, you can get it via a fellowship, perhaps after working for a few years.
disco_barred wrote:Getting the gig is hard, but it's hardly random.
This is exactly right. Grades, CoA, and Law Review are not dispositive. It depends a lot on field, etc., whether someone gets a PhD, all sorts of things. Academia is very idiosyncratic. For students straight out of undergrad who are not also trying to get a PhD, grades are very
important, it's how you get noticed and cultivated by faculty. Grades, LR, and clerkships, also help with getting the kinds of experience that make people more attractive as hires (in addition to the writing, which is essential).
Yale provides a much larger group of fellow students with academic interests, which helps a lot with networking. Note though that most academic-bound Yale JDs end up in fellowships along side Harvard, Stanford, and CCN grads from which everyone sort of goes in the same pool. There's no doubt that a Yale JD will be considered for lots of jobs just on the basis of the degree. But, candidates are hired based on the whole package.
One thing I'll add is that Columbia is a practice/policy-driven school. Students care about what they do with law, not about the law per se. This is the biggest difference (from what I've heard at least) with Chicago. (I think at Harvard or Yale you'll get a number of people in both camps.) If someone is interested in legal theory, philosophy, law & econ, that sort of thing, they won't be happy at Columbia & probably should go elsewhere. But, if someone is interested in more applied areas like international human rights, contracts/business law, tax, gender & sexuality, IP/technology law etc., they would thrive.