Boalt's tuition next year. 66,000+ IN STATE, 74000 OOS

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Re: Boalt's tuition next year. 66,000k+ IN STATE tuition & fees

Postby beesknees » Tue May 04, 2010 7:16 pm

This just illustrates how law schools can basically get away with murder (and I don't just mean Berkley, because $44 instate (which is what there website says) is on par with other T10s). The demand for law school is so incredibly inelastic, that schools can continue to hike up rates even in light of sobering job prospects because the overwhelming majority of law school applicants aren't too price conscious. Until law school prospectives reach a point where they actually say that the price of the education isn't worth the ridiculous debt, prices will likely continue to increase by thousands of dollars every year.

And many practicing attorneys that aren't fresh out of law school don't know just how much debt it takes now when they advise prospectives to disregard debt for a top school. In the mid 90s, for example, at Michigan, yearly out-of-state tuition was roughly $22k. In the mid 80's it was a mere $8k for out-of-staters (History of Michigan's Tuition). Even adjusting for inflation (Relative Values Calculator), this doesn't come close to the current $47k/year sticker shock for 2010.

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Re: Boalt's tuition next year. 66,000k+ IN STATE tuition & fees

Postby Doritos » Tue May 04, 2010 7:31 pm

Virginia: http://www.law.virginia.edu/html/prospe ... uition.htm $67,700

Penn: http://www.law.upenn.edu/prospective/jd/financing.html $65,610

Michigan: --LinkRemoved-- $63,710

Berkeley: http://www.law.berkeley.edu/6943.htm $71,274

This is all for out of state and are approximate.

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Re: Boalt's tuition next year. 66,000+ IN STATE, 74000 OOS

Postby im_blue » Wed May 05, 2010 3:27 am

Berkeley's going to have the highest T14 (non-resident) tuition in 2010-11, except possibly for the two NYC schools.

Berkeley (2010-11): http://www.law.berkeley.edu/6943.htm $72,446
Stanford (2010-11): http://www.law.stanford.edu/program/tuition/jd/ $71,535
Columbia: http://www.law.columbia.edu/jd_applican ... ns/tuition $71,000
Yale (2010-11): http://www.law.yale.edu/admissions/costs.htm$70,450
Harvard (2010-11): http://www.law.harvard.edu/current/sfs/ ... udget.html $70,100
NYU: http://www.law.nyu.edu/financialaid/bud ... /index.htm $70,050
Cornell (2010-11): http://www.lawschool.cornell.edu/admiss ... penses.cfm $69,750
Northwestern: http://www.law.northwestern.edu/admissi ... getJD.html $69,237
Georgetown (2010-11): http://www.law.georgetown.edu/finaid/fo ... 010-11.pdf $68,000
Virginia: http://www.law.virginia.edu/html/prospe ... uition.htm $67,700
Duke (2010-11): http://www.law.duke.edu/admis/tuition $66,610
Chicago: http://www.law.uchicago.edu/prospective ... aid/budget $66,342
Penn: http://www.law.upenn.edu/prospective/jd/financing.html $65,610
Michigan: --LinkRemoved-- $63,710

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Re: Boalt's tuition next year. 66,000+ IN STATE, 74000 OOS

Postby ShibaDan » Wed May 05, 2010 4:21 am

im_blue wrote:Berkeley's going to have the highest T14 (non-resident) tuition in 2010-11, except possibly for the two NYC schools.

Berkeley (2010-11): http://www.law.berkeley.edu/6943.htm $72,446
Stanford (2010-11): http://www.law.stanford.edu/program/tuition/jd/ $71,535
Columbia: http://www.law.columbia.edu/jd_applican ... ns/tuition $71,000
Yale (2010-11): http://www.law.yale.edu/admissions/costs.htm$70,450
Harvard (2010-11): http://www.law.harvard.edu/current/sfs/ ... udget.html $70,100
NYU: http://www.law.nyu.edu/financialaid/bud ... /index.htm $70,050
Cornell (2010-11): http://www.lawschool.cornell.edu/admiss ... penses.cfm $69,750
Northwestern: http://www.law.northwestern.edu/admissi ... getJD.html $69,237
Georgetown (2010-11): http://www.law.georgetown.edu/finaid/fo ... 010-11.pdf $68,000
Virginia: http://www.law.virginia.edu/html/prospe ... uition.htm $67,700
Duke (2010-11): http://www.law.duke.edu/admis/tuition $66,610
Chicago: http://www.law.uchicago.edu/prospective ... aid/budget $66,342
Penn: http://www.law.upenn.edu/prospective/jd/financing.html $65,610
Michigan: --LinkRemoved-- $63,710


Wow that's a huge point in favor of Michigan vs. Berkeley for example. If you have to pay sticker at both you'll be saving well over 30k if you choose Michigan.

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Re: Boalt's tuition next year. 66,000+ IN STATE, 74000 OOS

Postby sumus romani » Wed May 05, 2010 7:49 am

def2104 wrote:
im_blue wrote:Berkeley's going to have the highest T14 (non-resident) tuition in 2010-11, except possibly for the two NYC schools.

Berkeley (2010-11): http://www.law.berkeley.edu/6943.htm $72,446
Stanford (2010-11): http://www.law.stanford.edu/program/tuition/jd/ $71,535
Columbia: http://www.law.columbia.edu/jd_applican ... ns/tuition $71,000
Yale (2010-11): http://www.law.yale.edu/admissions/costs.htm$70,450
Harvard (2010-11): http://www.law.harvard.edu/current/sfs/ ... udget.html $70,100
NYU: http://www.law.nyu.edu/financialaid/bud ... /index.htm $70,050
Cornell (2010-11): http://www.lawschool.cornell.edu/admiss ... penses.cfm $69,750
Northwestern: http://www.law.northwestern.edu/admissi ... getJD.html $69,237
Georgetown (2010-11): http://www.law.georgetown.edu/finaid/fo ... 010-11.pdf $68,000
Virginia: http://www.law.virginia.edu/html/prospe ... uition.htm $67,700
Duke (2010-11): http://www.law.duke.edu/admis/tuition $66,610
Chicago: http://www.law.uchicago.edu/prospective ... aid/budget $66,342
Penn: http://www.law.upenn.edu/prospective/jd/financing.html $65,610
Michigan: --LinkRemoved-- $63,710


Wow that's a huge point in favor of Michigan vs. Berkeley for example. If you have to pay sticker at both you'll be saving well over 30k if you choose Michigan.


Not sure what you mean by "well over 30K". Surely, the difference adds up to $26,208 (still a big chunk, mind you). Perhaps you were counting interest.


Edit: Also, I saw that Penn's number for academic year 10-11 is $68,150.

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Re: Boalt's tuition next year. 66,000+ IN STATE, 74000 OOS

Postby ShibaDan » Wed May 05, 2010 8:44 am

sumus romani wrote:
def2104 wrote:
im_blue wrote:Berkeley's going to have the highest T14 (non-resident) tuition in 2010-11, except possibly for the two NYC schools.

Berkeley (2010-11): http://www.law.berkeley.edu/6943.htm $72,446
Stanford (2010-11): http://www.law.stanford.edu/program/tuition/jd/ $71,535
Columbia: http://www.law.columbia.edu/jd_applican ... ns/tuition $71,000
Yale (2010-11): http://www.law.yale.edu/admissions/costs.htm$70,450
Harvard (2010-11): http://www.law.harvard.edu/current/sfs/ ... udget.html $70,100
NYU: http://www.law.nyu.edu/financialaid/bud ... /index.htm $70,050
Cornell (2010-11): http://www.lawschool.cornell.edu/admiss ... penses.cfm $69,750
Northwestern: http://www.law.northwestern.edu/admissi ... getJD.html $69,237
Georgetown (2010-11): http://www.law.georgetown.edu/finaid/fo ... 010-11.pdf $68,000
Virginia: http://www.law.virginia.edu/html/prospe ... uition.htm $67,700
Duke (2010-11): http://www.law.duke.edu/admis/tuition $66,610
Chicago: http://www.law.uchicago.edu/prospective ... aid/budget $66,342
Penn: http://www.law.upenn.edu/prospective/jd/financing.html $65,610
Michigan: --LinkRemoved-- $63,710


Wow that's a huge point in favor of Michigan vs. Berkeley for example. If you have to pay sticker at both you'll be saving well over 30k if you choose Michigan.


Not sure what you mean by "well over 30K". Surely, the difference adds up to $26,208 (still a big chunk, mind you). Perhaps you were counting interest.


Edit: Also, I saw that Penn's number for academic year 10-11 is $68,150.


I was including the interest you will have to pay and taking into account the additional increases in berk tuition in the next two years. But thanks.

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Re: Boalt's tuition next year. 66,000+ IN STATE, 74000 OOS

Postby malfurion » Wed May 05, 2010 11:04 am

def2104 wrote:I was including the interest you will have to pay and taking into account the additional increases in berk tuition in the next two years. But thanks.


But also keep in mind that you get in-state tuition for 2L and 3L years at Berkeley, and not at Michigan.

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Re: Boalt's tuition next year. 66,000+ IN STATE, 74000 OOS

Postby ShibaDan » Wed May 05, 2010 11:39 am

malfurion wrote:
def2104 wrote:I was including the interest you will have to pay and taking into account the additional increases in berk tuition in the next two years. But thanks.


But also keep in mind that you get in-state tuition for 2L and 3L years at Berkeley, and not at Michigan.


Really?!? Damn, I thought you got in state second and third year at Michigan. At least I was planning on applying for it.

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Re: Boalt's tuition next year. 66,000+ IN STATE, 74000 OOS

Postby Tangerine Gleam » Wed May 05, 2010 12:28 pm

def2104 wrote:
malfurion wrote:
def2104 wrote:I was including the interest you will have to pay and taking into account the additional increases in berk tuition in the next two years. But thanks.


But also keep in mind that you get in-state tuition for 2L and 3L years at Berkeley, and not at Michigan.


Really?!? Damn, I thought you got in state second and third year at Michigan. At least I was planning on applying for it.


I think Mich's residency requirements are pretty strict. Someone at ASW told me that they were paying out-of-state for all three years and that most of their classmates were as well.

The Boalt residency discount is huge. For 2010-2011, for example, you save $6k+ per semester if you are a resident.

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Re: Boalt's tuition next year. 66,000+ IN STATE, 74000 OOS

Postby legalease9 » Wed May 05, 2010 12:36 pm

This is the relevant quote...

"When the Regents approved the fee increases for the 2010-11 academic year, they were also provided proposed fee level increases for the 2011-12 and 2012 academic years. Thus, total resident fees for Berkeley Law students during the 2010-11 academic year will be $44,220 and the estimated total resident fees for the 2011-12 and 2012-13 academic years will be $49,347 and $51,815 respectively."

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Re: Boalt's tuition next year. 66,000+ IN STATE, 74000 OOS

Postby CrimsonCal » Wed May 05, 2010 12:52 pm

To make an obvious point, I think we should consider that COL in places like the SF Bay Area and NYC are higher because they're more desirable places to live relative to Philadelphia, Ann Arbor, or Charlottesville...

I don't know about you guys, but I'd rather pay more to live in NYC/SF
than live in some shit town for three years... that's just my personal preference

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Re: Boalt's tuition next year. 66,000+ IN STATE, 74000 OOS

Postby Feynman » Wed May 05, 2010 2:25 pm

The Boalt residency discount is huge. For 2010-2011, for example, you save $6k+ per semester if you are a resident.


This is not going to be the case going into the future. It looks like the differential will be 3K per semester or 6K per year going forward.

than live in some shit town for three years


Berkeley is "some shit town."

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Postby bilbobaggins » Wed May 05, 2010 4:55 pm

Feynman wrote:
The Boalt residency discount is huge. For 2010-2011, for example, you save $6k+ per semester if you are a resident.


This is not going to be the case going into the future. It looks like the differential will be 3K per semester or 6K per year going forward.

than live in some shit town for three years


Berkeley is "some shit town."


Pointless trolling.

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Postby motiontodismiss » Wed May 05, 2010 6:48 pm

Boalt=overrated.

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Postby Feynman » Wed May 05, 2010 10:14 pm

Pointless trolling.


I've met quite a few Boalties. They all hate Berkeley. School is great, city sucks.

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Postby Pearalegal » Wed May 05, 2010 10:19 pm

Doritos wrote:Virginia: http://www.law.virginia.edu/html/prospe ... uition.htm $67,700

Penn: http://www.law.upenn.edu/prospective/jd/financing.html $65,610

Michigan: --LinkRemoved-- $63,710

Berkeley: http://www.law.berkeley.edu/6943.htm $71,274

This is all for out of state and are approximate.


Just in case this causes confusion...Penn isn't a state school.

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Re: Boalt's tuition next year. 66,000+ IN STATE, 74000 OOS

Postby Tangerine Gleam » Wed May 05, 2010 10:54 pm

Feynman wrote:
than live in some shit town for three years


Berkeley is "some shit town."


I like how you took out the part where he said nothing about living in Berkeley.

CrimsonCal wrote:I don't know about you guys, but I'd rather pay more to live in NYC/SF than live in some shit town for three years...

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Re: Boalt's tuition next year. 66,000+ IN STATE, 74000 OOS

Postby bilbobaggins » Thu May 06, 2010 12:10 am

Feynman wrote:
Pointless trolling.


I've met quite a few Boalties. They all hate Berkeley. School is great, city sucks.


I am a Boaltie. Most of us like Berkeley. Like I said: Pointless trolling.

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Postby Feynman » Thu May 06, 2010 1:12 am

I am a Boaltie. Most of us like Berkeley. Like I said: Pointless trolling.


Just because I disagree I'm a troll? It's no secret Berkeley isn't the nicest place in the world and that a lot of prospective and actual students really dislike the place. That does not make Boalt a terrible school and it doesn't make me a troll.

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Re: Boalt's tuition next year. 66,000+ IN STATE, 74000 OOS

Postby lawhawk » Thu May 06, 2010 1:38 am

66k? That doesn't seem very in-line with their socialist/communist agendas...

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Postby Doritos » Thu May 06, 2010 11:15 am

Pearalegal wrote:
Doritos wrote:Virginia: http://www.law.virginia.edu/html/prospe ... uition.htm $67,700

Penn: http://www.law.upenn.edu/prospective/jd/financing.html $65,610

Michigan: --LinkRemoved-- $63,710

Berkeley: http://www.law.berkeley.edu/6943.htm $71,274

This is all for out of state and are approximate.


Just in case this causes confusion...Penn isn't a state school.



Good catch haha. im_blue did it better anywayz

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Re: Boalt's tuition next year. 66,000k+ IN STATE tuition & fees

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GermX wrote:Why, if you didn't laugh, then I wasn't trying to be funny. It's a necessary requirement.



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Re: Boalt's tuition next year. 66,000+ IN STATE, 74000 OOS

Postby jay115 » Wed Aug 04, 2010 3:07 am

I know Dean Schwartz (UCLA) has a lot of worries about rising tuition, and he did say something about making the next UCLA dean's priorities to lower tuition. Now that Moran is the new dean, I hope they don't follow in Boalt's footsteps - but I'm not hopeful.

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Re: Boalt's tuition next year. 66,000+ IN STATE, 74000 OOS

Postby Apple Tree » Sat Aug 07, 2010 9:05 pm

I don't think their tuition is outrageous compared to other top law schools (actually lower than some). I guess the COL really drives the total COA up, but the school can't control that...

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Re: Boalt's tuition next year. 66,000+ IN STATE, 74000 OOS

Postby GMVarun » Tue Aug 10, 2010 5:21 am

Disclaimer: This is largely sour grapes. I hope to practice in cali, and boalt was my top choice going into my cycle but I didn't get in.

This definitely makes me feel a bit better that the 24k I am saving by going to Michigan might actually be the more prudent decision (maybe 50k if I were to assume that, even if i got in, boalt would not match my scholarship from michigan but that's probably going too far).




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