Michigan 1Ls/2Ls/3Ls taking questions

A forum for applicants and admitted students to ask law students and graduates about law school and the practice of law.
User avatar
BuckinghamB
Posts: 457
Joined: Wed Jun 15, 2011 3:37 pm

Re: Michigan 1Ls/2Ls/3Ls taking questions

Postby BuckinghamB » Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:41 pm

Also, keep in mind that Cornell's big jump in the NLJ placement rankings was only for one year...I'm too lazy to find the link now but I think the year before it was a little over 10% lower than the latest rankings. One year of having the 2nd highest placement could be anamolous. It's probably better to look at trends for NLJ placement combined with clerkship and PI numbers IMO.

planeride
Posts: 99
Joined: Thu Jun 23, 2011 9:22 am

Re: Michigan 1Ls/2Ls/3Ls taking questions

Postby planeride » Mon Feb 20, 2012 7:57 pm

Housing Q: Anyone have any experience with the Graduate House? Feel free to PM me if you prefer.

User avatar
ScrabbleChamp
Posts: 963
Joined: Wed Jun 23, 2010 8:09 am

Re: Michigan 1Ls/2Ls/3Ls taking questions

Postby ScrabbleChamp » Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:40 am

Does anyone have intimate knowledge of Northwood V? I'm about to give up on trying to find suitable off-campus housing and think the Northwood V largest 3-bedroom may work. I just have questions about the condition of the units, whether or not the basements are finished/livable, etc. Feel free to PM me if you prefer, or answer in this thread as there are probably others that have interest in this, as well.

03121202698008
Posts: 3002
Joined: Fri Jul 17, 2009 2:07 am

Re: Michigan 1Ls/2Ls/3Ls taking questions

Postby 03121202698008 » Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:44 am

ScrabbleChamp wrote:Does anyone have intimate knowledge of Northwood V? I'm about to give up on trying to find suitable off-campus housing and think the Northwood V largest 3-bedroom may work. I just have questions about the condition of the units, whether or not the basements are finished/livable, etc. Feel free to PM me if you prefer, or answer in this thread as there are probably others that have interest in this, as well.


All hearsay, but from people that have toured the university housing...none have chosen to live there due to conditions.

bannanagram
Posts: 42
Joined: Thu Dec 17, 2009 5:51 pm

Re: Michigan 1Ls/2Ls/3Ls taking questions

Postby bannanagram » Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:36 am

blowhard wrote:
ScrabbleChamp wrote:Does anyone have intimate knowledge of Northwood V? I'm about to give up on trying to find suitable off-campus housing and think the Northwood V largest 3-bedroom may work. I just have questions about the condition of the units, whether or not the basements are finished/livable, etc. Feel free to PM me if you prefer, or answer in this thread as there are probably others that have interest in this, as well.


All hearsay, but from people that have toured the university housing...none have chosen to live there due to conditions.


I toured these. The basements are...basementy. You can store stuff down there, but it smelled a little mildewy, so I am not sure if you'd want to set up an office/playroom/etc down there. The whole place felt dingy, dark, and depressing. The units are in serious need of updating. The common yard space also seemed unkept and sort of sad with random toys strewn about.

User avatar
outsidethescope
Posts: 164
Joined: Mon May 23, 2011 3:06 pm

Re: Michigan 1Ls/2Ls/3Ls taking questions

Postby outsidethescope » Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:18 pm

Odd question: what kinds of extreme weather/potential disasters should someone who's never seen the midwest prepare for, in the event of an emergency?

03121202698008
Posts: 3002
Joined: Fri Jul 17, 2009 2:07 am

Re: Michigan 1Ls/2Ls/3Ls taking questions

Postby 03121202698008 » Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:20 pm

outsidethescope wrote:Odd question: what kinds of extreme weather/potential disasters should someone who's never seen the midwest prepare for, in the event of an emergency?


? 4-6 inches of snow and shitty roads for a few hours. A2 does get a fair amount of tornados in the summer but most law students aren't here then and not really anything you can do to prepare for them.

Other than that, it gets moderately cold (occasionally in single digits, usually 10-20 degrees at worst).
Last edited by 03121202698008 on Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:21 pm, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
UnamSanctam
Posts: 7167
Joined: Mon Mar 21, 2011 3:17 am

Re: Michigan 1Ls/2Ls/3Ls taking questions

Postby UnamSanctam » Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:21 pm

outsidethescope wrote:Odd question: what kinds of extreme weather/potential disasters should someone who's never seen the midwest prepare for, in the event of an emergency?


It's Michigan. One day it may be sunny and 50. The next day you get several inches of snow. I remember one winter years ago when we had an ice storm, and literally every branch on every tree was encased in ice.

User avatar
outsidethescope
Posts: 164
Joined: Mon May 23, 2011 3:06 pm

Re: Michigan 1Ls/2Ls/3Ls taking questions

Postby outsidethescope » Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:30 pm

blowhard wrote:
outsidethescope wrote:Odd question: what kinds of extreme weather/potential disasters should someone who's never seen the midwest prepare for, in the event of an emergency?


? 4-6 inches of snow and shitty roads for a few hours. A2 does get a fair amount of tornados in the summer but most law students aren't here then and not really anything you can do to prepare for them.

Other than that, it gets moderately cold (occasionally in single digits, usually 10-20 degrees at worst).



See, this is good to know. I've never been anywhere close to a tronado and would probably do the completely wrong thing.

What about floods?

03121202698008
Posts: 3002
Joined: Fri Jul 17, 2009 2:07 am

Re: Michigan 1Ls/2Ls/3Ls taking questions

Postby 03121202698008 » Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:59 pm

outsidethescope wrote:
blowhard wrote:
outsidethescope wrote:Odd question: what kinds of extreme weather/potential disasters should someone who's never seen the midwest prepare for, in the event of an emergency?


? 4-6 inches of snow and shitty roads for a few hours. A2 does get a fair amount of tornados in the summer but most law students aren't here then and not really anything you can do to prepare for them.

Other than that, it gets moderately cold (occasionally in single digits, usually 10-20 degrees at worst).



See, this is good to know. I've never been anywhere close to a tronado and would probably do the completely wrong thing.

What about floods?


Don't wade or drive through standing flood water? It's not really an issue.

User avatar
ScrabbleChamp
Posts: 963
Joined: Wed Jun 23, 2010 8:09 am

Re: Michigan 1Ls/2Ls/3Ls taking questions

Postby ScrabbleChamp » Thu Feb 23, 2012 1:57 pm

Where can the best burger in town be found? Also, any Kobe beef burgers?

03121202698008
Posts: 3002
Joined: Fri Jul 17, 2009 2:07 am

Re: Michigan 1Ls/2Ls/3Ls taking questions

Postby 03121202698008 » Thu Feb 23, 2012 2:10 pm

ScrabbleChamp wrote:Where can the best burger in town be found? Also, any Kobe beef burgers?


Blimpie burger. There is a man vs food episode on it.

User avatar
Campagnolo
Posts: 906
Joined: Wed Oct 28, 2009 5:49 pm

Re: Michigan 1Ls/2Ls/3Ls taking questions

Postby Campagnolo » Thu Feb 23, 2012 2:15 pm

ScrabbleChamp wrote:Where can the best burger in town be found? Also, any Kobe beef burgers?


A Kobe burger is like spreading foie gras on your french fries. Isn't it a bit of a waste?

User avatar
20130312
Posts: 3842
Joined: Wed Nov 09, 2011 8:53 pm

Re: Michigan 1Ls/2Ls/3Ls taking questions

Postby 20130312 » Thu Feb 23, 2012 2:23 pm

Campagnolo wrote:
ScrabbleChamp wrote:Where can the best burger in town be found? Also, any Kobe beef burgers?


A Kobe burger is like spreading foie gras on your french fries. Isn't it a bit of a waste?


This. You have no business mushing Kobe beef into burger-form.

User avatar
ScrabbleChamp
Posts: 963
Joined: Wed Jun 23, 2010 8:09 am

Re: Michigan 1Ls/2Ls/3Ls taking questions

Postby ScrabbleChamp » Thu Feb 23, 2012 2:30 pm

InGoodFaith wrote:
Campagnolo wrote:
ScrabbleChamp wrote:Where can the best burger in town be found? Also, any Kobe beef burgers?


A Kobe burger is like spreading foie gras on your french fries. Isn't it a bit of a waste?


This. You have no business mushing Kobe beef into burger-form.


This must be from a mouth that has never had such a glorious concoction. Don't knock it 'til you try it. It is wonderful.

User avatar
JoeMo
Posts: 1518
Joined: Tue Oct 11, 2011 10:29 am

Re: Michigan 1Ls/2Ls/3Ls taking questions

Postby JoeMo » Thu Feb 23, 2012 3:12 pm

ScrabbleChamp wrote:
This must be from a mouth that has never had such a glorious concoction. Don't knock it 'til you try it. It is wonderful.


Meh... I've had Kobe burgers before and honestly I much prefer Steakburgers. Kobe can be rather dry when made into burger form.

User avatar
Campagnolo
Posts: 906
Joined: Wed Oct 28, 2009 5:49 pm

Re: Michigan 1Ls/2Ls/3Ls taking questions

Postby Campagnolo » Thu Feb 23, 2012 3:18 pm

ScrabbleChamp wrote:
InGoodFaith wrote:
Campagnolo wrote:
ScrabbleChamp wrote:Where can the best burger in town be found? Also, any Kobe beef burgers?


A Kobe burger is like spreading foie gras on your french fries. Isn't it a bit of a waste?


This. You have no business mushing Kobe beef into burger-form.


This must be from a mouth that has never had such a glorious concoction. Don't knock it 'til you try it. It is wonderful.


It's more my wallet talking than any high-minded notion of the eidos of Kobe. I would totally put truffles and foies gras on my freedom freedom fries if I were rich.

User avatar
buckilaw
Posts: 840
Joined: Fri May 07, 2010 1:27 am

Re: Michigan 1Ls/2Ls/3Ls taking questions

Postby buckilaw » Thu Feb 23, 2012 3:35 pm

Grizzly Peaks has a Kobe Burger. So does Cafe Zola. Though if you are willing to spend 10-15 bucks on a sandwich I'd suggest you skip the burger and head over to Zingerman's Deli.

wolverine10
Posts: 54
Joined: Sat Feb 04, 2012 10:27 am

Re: Michigan 1Ls/2Ls/3Ls taking questions

Postby wolverine10 » Thu Feb 23, 2012 3:55 pm

Blimpie Burger is excellent, Grizzly peak and Ashleys have great burgers and beer. Being an east coast guy I love Five Guys which just came to AA last year

keg411
Posts: 5935
Joined: Tue Apr 21, 2009 9:10 pm

Re: Michigan 1Ls/2Ls/3Ls taking questions

Postby keg411 » Thu Feb 23, 2012 9:16 pm

wolverine10 wrote:Blimpie Burger is excellent, Grizzly peak and Ashleys have great burgers and beer. Being an east coast guy I love Five Guys which just came to AA last year


The Quickie Burger on the corner by the law school is surprisingly good.

User avatar
JDizzle2015
Posts: 638
Joined: Fri Dec 02, 2011 12:16 pm

Re: Michigan 1Ls/2Ls/3Ls taking questions

Postby JDizzle2015 » Fri Feb 24, 2012 12:46 pm

Campagnolo wrote:A Kobe burger is like spreading foie gras on your french fries. Isn't it a bit of a waste?

Is that any good? Sounds gross... I mean I've only tried foie gras straight up and it definitely wasn't for me. However, truffle oil on fries is absolutely delicious (and not out of this world expensive).

ahnhub
Posts: 578
Joined: Fri Jun 10, 2011 3:14 pm

Re: Michigan 1Ls/2Ls/3Ls taking questions

Postby ahnhub » Sat Feb 25, 2012 12:36 pm

Let me preface this question with:
I love Michigan. I've followed the football team my whole life, I went there as an undergrad, I bleed maize and blue (or neon yellow or whatever color Adidas has us wearing now). I really want to go to school there. The law school has an amazing reputation--of all the schools I've gotten into, the one that impresses people most is Michigan.

My research has led me to conclude people who wanted Biglaw from Michigan in the c/o 2011 and 2012 really struggled, even relatively to its peers. The NLJ 250 placement for c/o 2011 just came out, and Michigan was significantly behind many schools considered its peers. I know these numbers fluctuate from year to year, and also understand how anomalous c/o 2011 is. But having seen 2L summer placement from c/o 2012 as well, I have to think the placement didn't improve that much for the next year as well, while overall hiring at big law firms did increase significantly.

It seems this past OCI went much, much better, and the outlook for c/o 2013 is brighter all around. But what happened for three years?
Any insight would be appreciated.

03121202698008
Posts: 3002
Joined: Fri Jul 17, 2009 2:07 am

Re: Michigan 1Ls/2Ls/3Ls taking questions

Postby 03121202698008 » Sat Feb 25, 2012 12:45 pm

ahnhub wrote:Let me preface this question with:
I love Michigan. I've followed the football team my whole life, I went there as an undergrad, I bleed maize and blue (or neon yellow or whatever color Adidas has us wearing now). I really want to go to school there. The law school has an amazing reputation--of all the schools I've gotten into, the one that impresses people most is Michigan.

My research has led me to conclude people who wanted Biglaw from Michigan in the c/o 2011 and 2012 really struggled, even relatively to its peers. The NLJ 250 placement for c/o 2011 just came out, and Michigan was significantly behind many schools considered its peers. I know these numbers fluctuate from year to year, and also understand how anomalous c/o 2011 is. But having seen 2L summer placement from c/o 2012 as well, I have to think the placement didn't improve that much for the next year as well, while overall hiring at big law firms did increase significantly.

It seems this past OCI went much, much better, and the outlook for c/o 2013 is brighter all around. But what happened for three years?
Any insight would be appreciated.


Uh, the recession? Michigan isn't in a major market which led some firms to pull out when they drew back recruiting. We send people all over the US so felt the recession more than schools that are located in and dominate a major market that wasn't hit as hard. Also, two years ago, OCS gave some bad advice which led many people to concentrate on Chicago as we were still doing well there. In hindsight, this was terrible advice as the Chicago firms got saturated and many people ended up wasting OCI bids without even getting an interview. Other than that, I don't think our people struggled more than peers.

People got wiser and bid more strategically. Most firms picked up their recruiting. This year was much much better. Almost everyone I know that wanted BigLaw got it.

We also have a large contingent of people who want PI and don't do OCI. This can skew percentages to some extent.

keg411
Posts: 5935
Joined: Tue Apr 21, 2009 9:10 pm

Re: Michigan 1Ls/2Ls/3Ls taking questions

Postby keg411 » Sat Feb 25, 2012 12:59 pm

As another 2L, everything blowhard said is right on. There are people I know who "struck out" at OCI/BigLaw, but all of those people have other prestigious employment lined up for 2L summer that they are happy with.

MissLucky
Posts: 903
Joined: Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:48 pm

Re: Michigan 1Ls/2Ls/3Ls taking questions

Postby MissLucky » Sun Feb 26, 2012 3:57 pm

Does anyone know where I can find info on the Spring Writing Competition for law review (dates, etc.)? Thanks! And do most people stick around after finals to complete the writing competition or just go home? I live in the LC though so maybe they close right after finals..




Return to “Ask a Law Student / Graduate”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: optimistic_owl and 3 guests