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Re: Michigan 1Ls/2Ls/3Ls taking questions

Postby 03121202698008 » Thu Feb 09, 2012 12:52 pm

portaprokoss wrote:
blowhard wrote:...so basically life isn't free, grow up.


blowhard wrote:
portaprokoss wrote:
UnamSanctam wrote:And when Michigan pays for travel and guests, who ends up paying for that?


The same way it does at most other top schools. It's paid for by a better, happier, more informed student body.


I'd rather not, thanks.


Go Wolverines! lol

Obviously the administration at Michigan would agree with you. But the administrations at other schools would disagree. You're paying for it one way or another, the issue is at what point do you want to pay. I'd rather students pay on the back-end, after making an informed decision that's not limited by financial concerns. You'd rather prospectives pay, perhaps limiting their means of making a more informed choice.

You frame the issue as "paying for flakes" and "it's cheaper to visit here than a big city school." Well, it's the admission department's problem if they're admitting a bunch of shady flakes. And as far as the costs of visiting at different schools, it's ZERO if the school is paying for it. Bringing a spouse along is important, since, you know, they will be there for 3 years too.


Dude, you don't get it. You pay <$500 once to visit. Or you pay $500-1,000 every year in additional tuition. Some people will come to ASW for practically nothing. You'd rather them pay the additional tuition too? I'd rather manage my own finances and make my own decisions about what I need to know prior to making decisions. I'm an adult.

Also, most schools don't cover 100%. They just subsidize some of the cost...but they also don't cover as much in the way of food, etc.
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Re: Michigan 1Ls/2Ls/3Ls taking questions

Postby JoeMo » Thu Feb 09, 2012 12:52 pm

I feel like this all started because of something I said.

I'm driving so that I don't have to buy 2 plane tickets.

I've got my hotel booked and it's fairly inexpensive. It averages to about $30/night for the two of us. I'm glad to go to ASW. I would love it if they paid but the fact that they're not doesn't affect my decision.

I feel honored to have been chosen to attend this school, I don't feel entitled to attend this school or a better school so perhaps that makes my perspective different but it's on me to make sure that I make the best decision I can make.

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Re: Michigan 1Ls/2Ls/3Ls taking questions

Postby portaprokoss » Thu Feb 09, 2012 12:54 pm

blowhard wrote:I also don't think you realize how much it'd cost. Even paying $500 per admitted student would be about $350,000 (assuming 700 students...not sure of #s). That's around a $1,000 per student in tuition to subsidize visits. Even if only 350 students visit, that's a $ for $ sponsor of one current student to one visiting.


I'm sure that could be offset by eliminating one glossy junk-mailing. It's about priorities.

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Re: Michigan 1Ls/2Ls/3Ls taking questions

Postby 03121202698008 » Thu Feb 09, 2012 12:56 pm

portaprokoss wrote:
blowhard wrote:I also don't think you realize how much it'd cost. Even paying $500 per admitted student would be about $350,000 (assuming 700 students...not sure of #s). That's around a $1,000 per student in tuition to subsidize visits. Even if only 350 students visit, that's a $ for $ sponsor of one current student to one visiting.


I'm sure that could be offset by eliminating one glossy junk-mailing. It's about priorities.


I'm done arguing about this. Your economic priorities are screwed up. As are your ideas of what others should do to make your life easier. Grow up...from here on out people aren't going to hold your hand and make the right decision easier so you take it.

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Re: Michigan 1Ls/2Ls/3Ls taking questions

Postby JustE » Thu Feb 09, 2012 12:58 pm

:lol: We got trolled.

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Re: Michigan 1Ls/2Ls/3Ls taking questions

Postby portaprokoss » Thu Feb 09, 2012 1:01 pm

JoeMo wrote:I feel honored to have been chosen to attend this school, I don't feel entitled to attend this school or a better school so perhaps that makes my perspective different but it's on me to make sure that I make the best decision I can make.


You are entitled to attend because they've admitted you. Sure, you're not entitled to a free visit, but I think it makes big-picture sense to offer free, or almost free visits to prospectives and their spouses. That's all. And I think the school should be forthwith with it's reasons for not paying more, and not paying for spouses, instead of offering false excuses like "limited space."

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Re: Michigan 1Ls/2Ls/3Ls taking questions

Postby 03121202698008 » Thu Feb 09, 2012 1:03 pm

portaprokoss wrote:
JoeMo wrote:I feel honored to have been chosen to attend this school, I don't feel entitled to attend this school or a better school so perhaps that makes my perspective different but it's on me to make sure that I make the best decision I can make.


You are entitled to attend because they've admitted you. Sure, you're not entitled to a free visit, but I think it makes big-picture sense to offer free, or almost free visits to prospectives and their spouses. That's all. And I think the school should be forthwith with it's reasons for not paying more, and not paying for spouses, instead of offering false excuses like "limited space."


Have they not been forthwith? Feel free to e-mail Dean Z and ask her. The limited space is because they only subsidize X rooms...its not an excuse as to why but a mere explanation of the limitation.

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Re: Michigan 1Ls/2Ls/3Ls taking questions

Postby portaprokoss » Thu Feb 09, 2012 1:05 pm

blowhard wrote:Grow up...from here on out people aren't going to hold your hand and make the right decision easier so you take it.


Is this a law student I'm talking to? Imagine saying something like this in class. What would the reaction be?

I'm talking about cost-shifting and transparency and I'm giving my reasons. You don't agree. Fine. But don't take it personally. And don't expect everyone to worship Michigan.

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Re: Michigan 1Ls/2Ls/3Ls taking questions

Postby portaprokoss » Thu Feb 09, 2012 1:07 pm

blowhard wrote:its not an excuse as to why but a mere explanation of the limitation.

"We can't pay for spouses because of limited space" does not equal "We choose not to pay for spouses."

Agree to disagree.

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Re: Michigan 1Ls/2Ls/3Ls taking questions

Postby 03121202698008 » Thu Feb 09, 2012 1:09 pm

portaprokoss wrote:
blowhard wrote:Grow up...from here on out people aren't going to hold your hand and make the right decision easier so you take it.


Is this a law student I'm talking to? Imagine saying something like this in class. What would the reaction be?

I'm talking about cost-shifting and transparency and I'm giving my reasons. You don't agree. Fine. But don't take it personally. And don't expect everyone to worship Michigan.


I'd say this in class. You aren't talking about either. They haven't provided a bullshit reason...you haven't asked for one. Their space limitation is not a purported justification for the underlying policy. They can't pay for spouses because they pay for say 20 rooms at double occupancy. That has nothing to do with why they made the decision to pay for only 20 rooms. Nor are they compelled to explain every decision when no one questions it.

Its only cost shifting in the way that socialism is. You think X is important to Y, and therefore ABC should pay for X so Y doesn't have to because there may be some tangental benefit to ABC's successors.
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Re: Michigan 1Ls/2Ls/3Ls taking questions

Postby JoeMo » Thu Feb 09, 2012 1:10 pm

blowhard wrote:
portaprokoss wrote:
JoeMo wrote:I feel honored to have been chosen to attend this school, I don't feel entitled to attend this school or a better school so perhaps that makes my perspective different but it's on me to make sure that I make the best decision I can make.


You are entitled to attend because they've admitted you. Sure, you're not entitled to a free visit, but I think it makes big-picture sense to offer free, or almost free visits to prospectives and their spouses. That's all. And I think the school should be forthwith with it's reasons for not paying more, and not paying for spouses, instead of offering false excuses like "limited space."


Have they not been forthwith? Feel free to e-mail Dean Z and ask her. The limited space is because they only subsidize X rooms...its not an excuse as to why but a mere explanation of the limitation.


Can we drop this please? I'm afraid this is going to end up on Z's blog and she's going to think I started it. I was just making the statement that because I'm going with my spouse I won't be staying in the subsidized rooms. Also, that's probably for the better. IDK but it sounds like some ASW's can get pretty "party" after hours and I'd rather not be in the same hotel where that is happening. Once you get married the "party" is no longer important.

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Postby 03121202698008 » Thu Feb 09, 2012 1:11 pm

JoeMo wrote:
blowhard wrote:
portaprokoss wrote:
JoeMo wrote:I feel honored to have been chosen to attend this school, I don't feel entitled to attend this school or a better school so perhaps that makes my perspective different but it's on me to make sure that I make the best decision I can make.


You are entitled to attend because they've admitted you. Sure, you're not entitled to a free visit, but I think it makes big-picture sense to offer free, or almost free visits to prospectives and their spouses. That's all. And I think the school should be forthwith with it's reasons for not paying more, and not paying for spouses, instead of offering false excuses like "limited space."


Have they not been forthwith? Feel free to e-mail Dean Z and ask her. The limited space is because they only subsidize X rooms...its not an excuse as to why but a mere explanation of the limitation.


Can we drop this please? I'm afraid this is going to end up on Z's blog and she's going to think I started it. I was just making the statement that because I'm going with my spouse I won't be staying in the subsidized rooms. Also, that's probably for the better. IDK but it sounds like some ASW's can get pretty "party" after hours and I'd rather not be in the same hotel where that is happening. Once you get married the "party" is no longer important.


No one blames you. Also, at least the hotel I was in wasn't like that. People went out to bars and such. No one hung out in rooms or the hotel.

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Re: Michigan 1Ls/2Ls/3Ls taking questions

Postby UnamSanctam » Thu Feb 09, 2012 1:18 pm

JoeMo wrote:Can we drop this please? I'm afraid this is going to end up on Z's blog and she's going to think I started it.


LOL. The woman isn't a tyrant.

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Re: Michigan 1Ls/2Ls/3Ls taking questions

Postby portaprokoss » Thu Feb 09, 2012 1:19 pm

JoeMo wrote:Can we drop this please? I'm afraid this is going to end up on Z's blog and she's going to think I started it.


I'll drop it. But just because your comment is so winsome and endearing.

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Re: Michigan 1Ls/2Ls/3Ls taking questions

Postby Campagnolo » Thu Feb 09, 2012 1:24 pm

Can you bike in AA year round? Are the streets kept clear enough that it's feasible to commute to school by bike? I commute now by bike year round, but it doesn't get anywhere near as frigid as Michigan, and it almost never snows here.

I really don't want to buy a car just for lol school if I can help it.

Thanks for all the answers, Michigan people!

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Postby 03121202698008 » Thu Feb 09, 2012 1:26 pm

Campagnolo wrote:Can you bike in AA year round? Are the streets kept clear enough that it's feasible to commute to school by bike? I commute now by bike year round, but it doesn't get anywhere near as frigid as Michigan, and it almost never snows here.

I really don't want to buy a car just for lol school if I can help it.

Thanks for all the answers, Michigan people!


Generally, yes. There are days where its still snowing and chains may be useful. That's pretty rare though. Also, all city buses (we ride free) have bike racks on the front which helps as well. Don't buy a car...parking sucks and you'd have to bus in from parking anyhow.

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Re: Michigan 1Ls/2Ls/3Ls taking questions

Postby Killingly » Thu Feb 09, 2012 1:28 pm

blowhard wrote:
Campagnolo wrote:Can you bike in AA year round? Are the streets kept clear enough that it's feasible to commute to school by bike? I commute now by bike year round, but it doesn't get anywhere near as frigid as Michigan, and it almost never snows here.

I really don't want to buy a car just for lol school if I can help it.

Thanks for all the answers, Michigan people!


Generally, yes. There are days where its still snowing and chains may be useful. That's pretty rare though. Also, all city buses (we ride free) have bike racks on the front which helps as well. Don't buy a car...parking sucks and you'd have to bus in from parking anyhow.


This may be a dumb question, but what do people without cars do with groceries? I'm used to buying a month's worth of food at a time and hording it away. Do people just buy for one-two weeks and bring the bags on the bus?

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Postby 03121202698008 » Thu Feb 09, 2012 1:31 pm

Killingly wrote:
blowhard wrote:
Campagnolo wrote:Can you bike in AA year round? Are the streets kept clear enough that it's feasible to commute to school by bike? I commute now by bike year round, but it doesn't get anywhere near as frigid as Michigan, and it almost never snows here.

I really don't want to buy a car just for lol school if I can help it.

Thanks for all the answers, Michigan people!


Generally, yes. There are days where its still snowing and chains may be useful. That's pretty rare though. Also, all city buses (we ride free) have bike racks on the front which helps as well. Don't buy a car...parking sucks and you'd have to bus in from parking anyhow.


This may be a dumb question, but what do people without cars do with groceries? I'm used to buying a month's worth of food at a time and hording it away. Do people just buy for one-two weeks and bring the bags on the bus?


That. Or they use zipcar to rent for an hour or two. Or they get a ride from a friend.

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Re: Michigan 1Ls/2Ls/3Ls taking questions

Postby Killingly » Thu Feb 09, 2012 1:31 pm

blowhard wrote:
Killingly wrote:
blowhard wrote:
Campagnolo wrote:Can you bike in AA year round? Are the streets kept clear enough that it's feasible to commute to school by bike? I commute now by bike year round, but it doesn't get anywhere near as frigid as Michigan, and it almost never snows here.

I really don't want to buy a car just for lol school if I can help it.

Thanks for all the answers, Michigan people!


Generally, yes. There are days where its still snowing and chains may be useful. That's pretty rare though. Also, all city buses (we ride free) have bike racks on the front which helps as well. Don't buy a car...parking sucks and you'd have to bus in from parking anyhow.


This may be a dumb question, but what do people without cars do with groceries? I'm used to buying a month's worth of food at a time and hording it away. Do people just buy for one-two weeks and bring the bags on the bus?


That. Or they use zipcar to rent for an hour or two. Or they get a ride from a friend.


Ah gotcha. Thanks.

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Re: Michigan 1Ls/2Ls/3Ls taking questions

Postby ScrabbleChamp » Thu Feb 09, 2012 1:47 pm

Did anyone attend any of the Alumni Receptions before they were admitted? Was it worth it? There aren't any near me, but I can easily justify a flight to Boston or NYC for work if need be. Basically, I don't want to go through the hassle of scheduling a visit with an office up north if the receptions are really just glorified parties. However, if there is some actual, useful networking going on, I don't want to miss out on it.

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Re: Michigan 1Ls/2Ls/3Ls taking questions

Postby Kurst » Thu Feb 09, 2012 1:52 pm

UnamSanctam wrote:I'm not sure it's in the best interests of Michigan students to pay for others to get to ASW. It's Michigan; it'll get good students regardless of whether or not travel and guests are credited.

ftfy

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Re: Michigan 1Ls/2Ls/3Ls taking questions

Postby 20130312 » Thu Feb 09, 2012 1:56 pm

Kurst wrote:
UnamSanctam wrote:I'm not sure it's in the best interests of Michigan students to pay for others to get to ASW. It's Michigan; it'll get good students regardless of whether or not travel and guests are credited.

ftfy


Oh, good catch.

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Re: Michigan 1Ls/2Ls/3Ls taking questions

Postby UnamSanctam » Thu Feb 09, 2012 1:57 pm

Kurst wrote:
UnamSanctam wrote:I'm not sure it's in the best interests of Michigan students to pay for others to get to ASW. It's Michigan; it'll get good students regardless of whether or not travel and guests are credited.

ftfy


I almost did it just for you but figured you wouldn't see my post. Silly me.

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Re: Michigan 1Ls/2Ls/3Ls taking questions

Postby Kurst » Thu Feb 09, 2012 2:06 pm

Pft, when it comes to Michigan, I see everything. And in 30 years, I will create a trust for ASW travel stipends, so that no potential Wolverine has to ask herself, "Can I afford it?"

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Re: Michigan 1Ls/2Ls/3Ls taking questions

Postby JoeMo » Thu Feb 09, 2012 2:08 pm

UnamSanctam wrote:
JoeMo wrote:Can we drop this please? I'm afraid this is going to end up on Z's blog and she's going to think I started it.


LOL. The woman isn't a tyrant.


I know I was just trying to sound like the I forgot what term it was that you used but something like fragile a$$

I'm trying to turn this situation around and take the blame and say let's move on. Is it working?




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