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Re: Michigan 1Ls/2Ls/3Ls taking questions

Postby brinicolec » Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:07 pm

pbsdotcom wrote:Hi all, just got accepted! Super excited. Anyone here who deferred a year? if so, did they let you roll over any scholrship you were offered? Thanks!!

Edit: another question, is it necessary or even preferable to have a car at mich? Or can one go the three years without it? Thanks!


Don't know the answer to your first question but...

I like having my car, but I also don't like having to catch a ride and when it comes to carpooling, I prefer to be the driver, not the passenger. I think it's doable to go three years w/o a car though. There's uber and lyft here and, like I said, people carpool a lot. Lawopen (the LS listserv) will have messages of ppl offering/asking for rides to a variety of places (mainly Chicago, Detroit, the airport) and if orgs are doing some sort of outing that's farther away, they usually organize a carpool.

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Re: Michigan 1Ls/2Ls/3Ls taking questions

Postby aladdinismyprince » Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:27 am

brinicolec wrote:
pbsdotcom wrote:Hi all, just got accepted! Super excited. Anyone here who deferred a year? if so, did they let you roll over any scholrship you were offered? Thanks!!

Edit: another question, is it necessary or even preferable to have a car at mich? Or can one go the three years without it? Thanks!


Don't know the answer to your first question but...

I like having my car, but I also don't like having to catch a ride and when it comes to carpooling, I prefer to be the driver, not the passenger. I think it's doable to go three years w/o a car though. There's uber and lyft here and, like I said, people carpool a lot. Lawopen (the LS listserv) will have messages of ppl offering/asking for rides to a variety of places (mainly Chicago, Detroit, the airport) and if orgs are doing some sort of outing that's farther away, they usually organize a carpool.


I definitely would recommend a car. Michiganders like to drive, and all cities in this state (Ann Arbor) included were built for driving.

Can you absolutely survive without a car? Sure. As the above poster said, people carpool and you can uber/lyft. Your student ID will get you on the buses for free, but I found them very slow and fairly infrequent. I mostly would want a car for grocery shopping purposes. Trader Joes and Meijer are both a drive a way.

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Re: Michigan 1Ls/2Ls/3Ls taking questions

Postby pbsdotcom » Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:14 am

aladdinismyprince wrote:
brinicolec wrote:
pbsdotcom wrote:Hi all, just got accepted! Super excited. Anyone here who deferred a year? if so, did they let you roll over any scholrship you were offered? Thanks!!

Edit: another question, is it necessary or even preferable to have a car at mich? Or can one go the three years without it? Thanks!


Don't know the answer to your first question but...

I like having my car, but I also don't like having to catch a ride and when it comes to carpooling, I prefer to be the driver, not the passenger. I think it's doable to go three years w/o a car though. There's uber and lyft here and, like I said, people carpool a lot. Lawopen (the LS listserv) will have messages of ppl offering/asking for rides to a variety of places (mainly Chicago, Detroit, the airport) and if orgs are doing some sort of outing that's farther away, they usually organize a carpool.


I definitely would recommend a car. Michiganders like to drive, and all cities in this state (Ann Arbor) included were built for driving.

Can you absolutely survive without a car? Sure. As the above poster said, people carpool and you can uber/lyft. Your student ID will get you on the buses for free, but I found them very slow and fairly infrequent. I mostly would want a car for grocery shopping purposes. Trader Joes and Meijer are both a drive a way.


Thank you both! Very helpful. Would you say you mostly use your car for grocery shopping and going to airport, etc, or do most people live diving distance from campus? Or do you usually walk to school?

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Re: Michigan 1Ls/2Ls/3Ls taking questions

Postby LawTweet » Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:28 am

pbsdotcom wrote:Hi all, just got accepted! Super excited. Anyone here who deferred a year? if so, did they let you roll over any scholrship you were offered? Thanks!!

Edit: another question, is it necessary or even preferable to have a car at mich? Or can one go the three years without it? Thanks!


If you live in the Lawyers Club, you definitely do not need a car. I live there and have my car and only just filled up my gas tank for the first time all semester last week. I only take my car to get groceries that I don't really need since I'm on the meal plan. It's mostly a waste of money for me.

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Postby deuceindc » Thu Dec 07, 2017 3:50 pm

pbsdotcom wrote:Hi all, just got accepted! Super excited. Anyone here who deferred a year? if so, did they let you roll over any scholrship you were offered? Thanks!!

Edit: another question, is it necessary or even preferable to have a car at mich? Or can one go the three years without it? Thanks!


I looked into deferring, IIRC they lock in the aid but you aren't allowed to apply elsewhere. Just talk to someone in admissions (Joe Pollack and Mark Jefferson are both great if you haven't already talked to anyone).

A car is useful, mostly for groceries. There aren't any grocery stores within walking distance of campus (the Walgreens has, like, milk and cereal but that's it.) You can get by with ZipCar, Lyft, and public transportation, but a car is really helpful. Discount accordingly if you live in the LC.

littlelibertine wrote:Two questions:

1. What website do people in A2 use for housing? Hotpads? Padmapper? Trulia? Something else?

2. Where's good for living? My husband and I are both 30 and we would like to live near other older law students if possible, but if not, *away* from undergrads would be fine. We're old farts and we sleep early. ;)

Thank you guys so much!


I used Craigslist and Padmapper. Re: neighborhoods, I'd look west of campus, between State and Main. There are plenty of houses (and house-shares) in quiet-ish neighborhoods within walking distance from campus. PM me if you have questions about specifics.

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Re: Michigan 1Ls/2Ls/3Ls taking questions

Postby ChutzpahSaxa15 » Sat Jan 20, 2018 6:23 pm

Recently accepted and I have a couple of Q's. Michigan is definitely one of my top choices at this point.

1) Other than the weather / normal stresses that would occur at any law school, are there things that many people DON'T like about Michigan? For instance, how helpful/timely is the administration?
2) How big are the 1L classes actually? I've seen different answers on different sites.
3) Is it easy for Michigan folks who want to go into PI/govt work in DC to get those jobs? Compared with a school like GULC, for example.
4) Is there an overall PI-vibe at the school? I've heard that in general more people at Mich are interested in PI than at other schools.

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Re: Michigan 1Ls/2Ls/3Ls taking questions

Postby sui_juris » Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:30 pm

ChutzpahSaxa15 wrote:Recently accepted and I have a couple of Q's. Michigan is definitely one of my top choices at this point.

1) Other than the weather / normal stresses that would occur at any law school, are there things that many people DON'T like about Michigan? For instance, how helpful/timely is the administration?
2) How big are the 1L classes actually? I've seen different answers on different sites.
3) Is it easy for Michigan folks who want to go into PI/govt work in DC to get those jobs? Compared with a school like GULC, for example.
4) Is there an overall PI-vibe at the school? I've heard that in general more people at Mich are interested in PI than at other schools.


Congrats on accepting! Here are my thoughts. I also was a PI student, so feel free to PM me if you want more specific answers.

(1) The things I didn't like about Michigan largely had to do with Ann Arbor. It's possible, but significantly more difficult, to live in AA without a car. AA is not a big city, so there isn't as much to do (although, there is a lot more to do than you would expect of a city that size).

I didn't think that the administration was that effective. They pretend to care, and will respond quickly to complaints or issues, but then won't actually do anything. Don't really want to go into specifics, but you can PM if you want.

Also, they tout Michigan's LRAP program as this amazing way to avoid paying student loans while doing public interest, but once you graduate, the LRAP program attempts to nickel and dime you. They have so many ways of wiggling their way out of actually paying you. (For example, if you don't turn in all of the documents by the required due date, you can't get your money for the next year no matter what - they don't make exceptions - but then they also refuse to confirm that they received all of the documents. Last year, they "lost" a bunch of paperwork and those people got screwed. They calculate what they will pay you based on your current job salary, rather than your last year's taxes - which is how the federal government calculates your loan payment - which means there are certain instances in which MI will underpay you.) Basically, don't count on LRAP actually helping, because it may not.

(2) Your "larger" 1L classes are about 80-90 people. You'll have one class each semester that is half that size, and then your legal practice (legal writing/research) class will be 1/4 the size.

(3) Anecdotally, a large portion of my friends who went into PI ended up in DC. It's hard (but not impossible) to get an entry-level PI job straight out of law school, so for some reason, Michigan places a lot of people in DC-based clerkships (like "state" level clerkships at the DC trial court and Court of Appeals). People then leverage that experience to get PI jobs.

(4) My opinion is that Michigan has an incredibly strong PI community, second probably only to NYU. I mean, most people at Michigan are going into firm/corporate jobs, but a sizeable number of people do PI. We have lots of student groups devoted to PI - OPIS (Organization of Public Interest Students) has a mentoring program and hosts a large job fair geared towards 1Ls; the Criminal Law Society (historically, the group for wannabe prosecutors); and a public defender organization (whose name I don't know). My recollection is that there are a good number of professors who were former public defenders, so the PD community is especially strong.

Hope that helps!

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Re: Michigan 1Ls/2Ls/3Ls taking questions

Postby brinicolec » Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:23 pm

sui_juris wrote:
ChutzpahSaxa15 wrote:Recently accepted and I have a couple of Q's. Michigan is definitely one of my top choices at this point.

1) Other than the weather / normal stresses that would occur at any law school, are there things that many people DON'T like about Michigan? For instance, how helpful/timely is the administration?
2) How big are the 1L classes actually? I've seen different answers on different sites.
3) Is it easy for Michigan folks who want to go into PI/govt work in DC to get those jobs? Compared with a school like GULC, for example.
4) Is there an overall PI-vibe at the school? I've heard that in general more people at Mich are interested in PI than at other schools.


Congrats on accepting! Here are my thoughts. I also was a PI student, so feel free to PM me if you want more specific answers.

(1) The things I didn't like about Michigan largely had to do with Ann Arbor. It's possible, but significantly more difficult, to live in AA without a car. AA is not a big city, so there isn't as much to do (although, there is a lot more to do than you would expect of a city that size).

I didn't think that the administration was that effective. They pretend to care, and will respond quickly to complaints or issues, but then won't actually do anything. Don't really want to go into specifics, but you can PM if you want.

Also, they tout Michigan's LRAP program as this amazing way to avoid paying student loans while doing public interest, but once you graduate, the LRAP program attempts to nickel and dime you. They have so many ways of wiggling their way out of actually paying you. (For example, if you don't turn in all of the documents by the required due date, you can't get your money for the next year no matter what - they don't make exceptions - but then they also refuse to confirm that they received all of the documents. Last year, they "lost" a bunch of paperwork and those people got screwed. They calculate what they will pay you based on your current job salary, rather than your last year's taxes - which is how the federal government calculates your loan payment - which means there are certain instances in which MI will underpay you.) Basically, don't count on LRAP actually helping, because it may not.

(2) Your "larger" 1L classes are about 80-90 people. You'll have one class each semester that is half that size, and then your legal practice (legal writing/research) class will be 1/4 the size.

(3) Anecdotally, a large portion of my friends who went into PI ended up in DC. It's hard (but not impossible) to get an entry-level PI job straight out of law school, so for some reason, Michigan places a lot of people in DC-based clerkships (like "state" level clerkships at the DC trial court and Court of Appeals). People then leverage that experience to get PI jobs.

(4) My opinion is that Michigan has an incredibly strong PI community, second probably only to NYU. I mean, most people at Michigan are going into firm/corporate jobs, but a sizeable number of people do PI. We have lots of student groups devoted to PI - OPIS (Organization of Public Interest Students) has a mentoring program and hosts a large job fair geared towards 1Ls; the Criminal Law Society (historically, the group for wannabe prosecutors); and a public defender organization (whose name I don't know). My recollection is that there are a good number of professors who were former public defenders, so the PD community is especially strong.

Hope that helps!


I'm not really PI and I think the above poster gave some pretty solid answers for that so I'll just answer the first question:

My complaints are mostly about Ann Arbor. I have two things I strongly dislike about Ann Arbor.

1) The night life. I find it very boring and I hate the music everywhere. I can't figure out where the black people are... They might just not be anywhere because the diversity numbers for the undergrad university are also pretty weak and I've heard the black students don't have a strong community... but I miss being able to be surrounded by my people.
2) The housing market. I'm assuming it's tied to the whole "college town" thing; however, I find the housing here to be worse than the housing at the college town I lived in for undergrad so idk. A lot of the housing is... very barebones and sometimes even just kinda gross, but still overpriced. They have some new luxury apartments they've built recently/are building, but they're also crazy overpriced (like 1500 for a studio apartment, which is ridiculous, and an additional couple hundred/mo for parking). I have difficulty justifying paying that much for this location, but I also have difficulty living in a place that is literally falling apart. Living in the Lawyer's Club would solve this issue - but I have a pet (& a car) so I can't live there.

The only other thing would be that some of the students here are less than tolerable, but I'm sure that's a thing at every law school. I think there are more students here that are nice/helpful/whatever else than at a lot of other law schools though (from what I've heard about some other top schools), so it's not too bad.

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Re: Michigan 1Ls/2Ls/3Ls taking questions

Postby michigan_yooper » Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:40 am

I'm starting at Michigan Law for the Fall semester and have a few questions.

How fast are courses completely filled up once the add/drop period commences? Should I plan to be ready at 8am on my laptop come the first registration day?

I have a tentative schedule for my L1 classes, thoughts on these classes/professors?

Con Law - Primus

Legal Practice - Vettorello

Contracts - Cornell

Also, Civil Procedures with a TBD instructor. It was the only one that fit my schedule.

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Postby Iwanttolawschool » Sun Apr 15, 2018 2:26 pm

michigan_yooper wrote:I'm starting at Michigan Law for the Fall semester and have a few questions.

How fast are courses completely filled up once the add/drop period commences? Should I plan to be ready at 8am on my laptop come the first registration day?

I have a tentative schedule for my L1 classes, thoughts on these classes/professors?

Con Law - Primus

Legal Practice - Vettorello

Contracts - Cornell

Also, Civil Procedures with a TBD instructor. It was the only one that fit my schedule.


You don't get to pick your first semester 1L classes. You are assigned to a "super section" and you share the same classes with the same people.



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