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Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 11:05 am
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Any guess as to what the process is when it comes to accepting a job offer like that?twistedwrister wrote:Kurama - I've heard that as well, but I don't personally know anyone who has gotten a job that way. Most people I know who wanted firm jobs got them through the EIW process in August/September.
Wow...it seems that they keep improving their faculty there. Any professors you recommend taking a class with?twistedwrister wrote:Since there aren't too many questions, I'll share an interesting tidbit that I recently learned. Evan Chesler, the Presiding Partner at Cravath and one of the top practicing litigators in the country, is teaching a "Trial Practice" seminar at NYU next semester. Pretty sweet, especially for those students who want to go into litigation.
Yeah, the profs at NYU are amazing. I've really enjoyed most of my classes, but if I had to recommend one professor to take a class with, it would be Professor Burt Neuborne. I've also heard that Professor Vicki Been (Property) and Professor Kenji Yoshino (Con Law) are great, but I don't know from personal experience. Are you planning on coming to NYU, or are you just curious?ravens20 wrote:Wow...it seems that they keep improving their faculty there. Any professors you recommend taking a class with?twistedwrister wrote:Since there aren't too many questions, I'll share an interesting tidbit that I recently learned. Evan Chesler, the Presiding Partner at Cravath and one of the top practicing litigators in the country, is teaching a "Trial Practice" seminar at NYU next semester. Pretty sweet, especially for those students who want to go into litigation.
I got in ED, so barring a major catastrophe I will be attending next fall.twistedwrister wrote:Yeah, the profs at NYU are amazing. I've really enjoyed most of my classes, but if I had to recommend one professor to take a class with, it would be Professor Burt Neuborne. I've also heard that Professor Vicki Been (Property) and Professor Kenji Yoshino (Con Law) are great, but I don't know from personal experience. Are you planning on coming to NYU, or are you just curious?ravens20 wrote:Wow...it seems that they keep improving their faculty there. Any professors you recommend taking a class with?twistedwrister wrote:Since there aren't too many questions, I'll share an interesting tidbit that I recently learned. Evan Chesler, the Presiding Partner at Cravath and one of the top practicing litigators in the country, is teaching a "Trial Practice" seminar at NYU next semester. Pretty sweet, especially for those students who want to go into litigation.
I would generally agree that it is been tougher to get Biglaw this year than ever before (no surprise there). However, out of my 15 or so good friends who wanted Biglaw, only two did not get an offer. Personally, I did quite well 1L (top 5-10% or so), and I was lucky enough to have lots of options. I did twenty-something screening interviews, got twenty-something callbacks, actually went on 5-8 callbacks (don't want to out myself), and got an offer out of every callback. It seems like those at the top of the class had lots of offers, those in the middle had fewer callbacks and 1-2 offers, and those at the bottom (especially those w/o work experience) may not have fared so well. From what I've heard, if you were median or above and could interview well, you did just fine. If you were below median and didn't interview well, you could end up without a Biglaw offer. Hope this helps.ravens20 wrote:And also how has OCI gone? At some other top schools, it seems you have to finish higher in class rank than ever before to get a look from biglaw in this economy. Where do you need to be in terms of class rank at NYU to have a shot at biglaw?
ravens20 wrote:I got in ED, so barring a major catastrophe I will be attending next fall.twistedwrister wrote:Yeah, the profs at NYU are amazing. I've really enjoyed most of my classes, but if I had to recommend one professor to take a class with, it would be Professor Burt Neuborne. I've also heard that Professor Vicki Been (Property) and Professor Kenji Yoshino (Con Law) are great, but I don't know from personal experience. Are you planning on coming to NYU, or are you just curious?ravens20 wrote:Wow...it seems that they keep improving their faculty there. Any professors you recommend taking a class with?twistedwrister wrote:Since there aren't too many questions, I'll share an interesting tidbit that I recently learned. Evan Chesler, the Presiding Partner at Cravath and one of the top practicing litigators in the country, is teaching a "Trial Practice" seminar at NYU next semester. Pretty sweet, especially for those students who want to go into litigation.
Thank you...that was very helpful. It would seem, then, that NYU is doing a bit better than some of the "lower" T14 schools in terms of impact from the recession.twistedwrister wrote:I would generally agree that it is been tougher to get Biglaw this year than ever before (no surprise there). However, out of my 15 or so good friends who wanted Biglaw, only two did not get an offer. Personally, I did quite well 1L (top 5-10% or so), and I was lucky enough to have lots of options. I did twenty-something screening interviews, got twenty-something callbacks, actually went on 5-8 callbacks (don't want to out myself), and got an offer out of every callback. It seems like those at the top of the class had lots of offers, those in the middle had fewer callbacks and 1-2 offers, and those at the bottom (especially those w/o work experience) may not have fared so well. From what I've heard, if you were median or above and could interview well, you did just fine. If you were below median and didn't interview well, you could end up without a Biglaw offer. Hope this helps.ravens20 wrote:And also how has OCI gone? At some other top schools, it seems you have to finish higher in class rank than ever before to get a look from biglaw in this economy. Where do you need to be in terms of class rank at NYU to have a shot at biglaw?
Wow, you clearly had a fantastic 1L year. Would you mind sharing your study strategy? Did you do any reading the summer before 1L?twistedwrister wrote:I would generally agree that it is been tougher to get Biglaw this year than ever before (no surprise there). However, out of my 15 or so good friends who wanted Biglaw, only two did not get an offer. Personally, I did quite well 1L (top 5-10% or so), and I was lucky enough to have lots of options. I did twenty-something screening interviews, got twenty-something callbacks, actually went on 5-8 callbacks (don't want to out myself), and got an offer out of every callback. It seems like those at the top of the class had lots of offers, those in the middle had fewer callbacks and 1-2 offers, and those at the bottom (especially those w/o work experience) may not have fared so well. From what I've heard, if you were median or above and could interview well, you did just fine. If you were below median and didn't interview well, you could end up without a Biglaw offer. Hope this helps.ravens20 wrote:And also how has OCI gone? At some other top schools, it seems you have to finish higher in class rank than ever before to get a look from biglaw in this economy. Where do you need to be in terms of class rank at NYU to have a shot at biglaw?
Thanks. It's definitely good to hear that the students are generally happy there. I'm guessing the reputation of the school and its students as being relatively laid back is not a myth then.twistedwrister wrote:
Congrats! It is a great school, and no one I know (myself included) regrets choosing NYU.
No problem! Re study habits, here is what worked for me:brennanlives wrote:Wow, you clearly had a fantastic 1L year. Would you mind sharing your study strategy? Did you do any reading the summer before 1L?twistedwrister wrote:I would generally agree that it is been tougher to get Biglaw this year than ever before (no surprise there). However, out of my 15 or so good friends who wanted Biglaw, only two did not get an offer. Personally, I did quite well 1L (top 5-10% or so), and I was lucky enough to have lots of options. I did twenty-something screening interviews, got twenty-something callbacks, actually went on 5-8 callbacks (don't want to out myself), and got an offer out of every callback. It seems like those at the top of the class had lots of offers, those in the middle had fewer callbacks and 1-2 offers, and those at the bottom (especially those w/o work experience) may not have fared so well. From what I've heard, if you were median or above and could interview well, you did just fine. If you were below median and didn't interview well, you could end up without a Biglaw offer. Hope this helps.ravens20 wrote:And also how has OCI gone? At some other top schools, it seems you have to finish higher in class rank than ever before to get a look from biglaw in this economy. Where do you need to be in terms of class rank at NYU to have a shot at biglaw?
Also, I just got into NYU RD, and I was thinking about applying for one of the PI scholarships. Would you happen to know if you can apply after you've already applied to NYU/how competitive the scholarships are?
Thanks so much for your help!
Thanks, it's amazing how many different approaches there are to doing well 1L year. I'm starting to think that the best advice is to just do what works best for you.twistedwrister wrote:No problem! Re study habits, here is what worked for me:brennanlives wrote:Wow, you clearly had a fantastic 1L year. Would you mind sharing your study strategy? Did you do any reading the summer before 1L?twistedwrister wrote:I would generally agree that it is been tougher to get Biglaw this year than ever before (no surprise there). However, out of my 15 or so good friends who wanted Biglaw, only two did not get an offer. Personally, I did quite well 1L (top 5-10% or so), and I was lucky enough to have lots of options. I did twenty-something screening interviews, got twenty-something callbacks, actually went on 5-8 callbacks (don't want to out myself), and got an offer out of every callback. It seems like those at the top of the class had lots of offers, those in the middle had fewer callbacks and 1-2 offers, and those at the bottom (especially those w/o work experience) may not have fared so well. From what I've heard, if you were median or above and could interview well, you did just fine. If you were below median and didn't interview well, you could end up without a Biglaw offer. Hope this helps.ravens20 wrote:And also how has OCI gone? At some other top schools, it seems you have to finish higher in class rank than ever before to get a look from biglaw in this economy. Where do you need to be in terms of class rank at NYU to have a shot at biglaw?
Also, I just got into NYU RD, and I was thinking about applying for one of the PI scholarships. Would you happen to know if you can apply after you've already applied to NYU/how competitive the scholarships are?
Thanks so much for your help!
(1) I did all the assigned reading, taking notes as I read. I didn't "brief cases" per se, but rather distilled each case down to a 1/2 page or so of important points.
(2) I went to (pretty much) every class and took thorough class notes.
(3) At the end of each semester, I combined my reading and class notes into a long outline. I then created a short outline (20 or so pages) that consisted of the most important points from my long outline.
(4) I learned my outlines as well as I could, even if the exams were open book.
(5) I did a few practice tests for each class, just to get an idea of what each professor was looking for and how long it would take me to write a good answer.
I didn't read any supplements (E&E, Hornbooks, etc.) for any class, although I know students who did and also performed really well. However, if you do read supplements, be aware of what your professor is looking for. I heard of one professor who got really annoyed when students pointed out issues that we never even came close to covering in class.
As far as reading the summer before law school, read books that you enjoy that have nothing to do with the law or law school. You will do enough law-related reading next year.
I'm not sure about the PI scholarships...sorry about that. I have heard they are very competitive, though.
Nope, not at all. Although "friendly" is perhaps a better description than "laid back." People certainly worked hard, but law school grades were not the be-all-end-all for the vast majority of students. The diversity of interests among the students at NYU is staggering. That diversity, in part, helps make the environment fun and non-competitive.ravens20 wrote:Thanks. It's definitely good to hear that the students are generally happy there. I'm guessing the reputation of the school and its students as being relatively laid back is not a myth then.twistedwrister wrote:
Congrats! It is a great school, and no one I know (myself included) regrets choosing NYU.
I tried to know both as well as possible. However, my short outline also doubled as a table of contents for my long outline, so during the exam I could look up a topic on the short outline and then quickly find that topic on my long outline if I needed more detail.flyers05 wrote:Which outline did you focus on knowing well- your long one, short one, or both?
Thanks for taking questions!twistedwrister wrote: I would generally agree that it is been tougher to get Biglaw this year than ever before (no surprise there). However, out of my 15 or so good friends who wanted Biglaw, only two did not get an offer. Personally, I did quite well 1L (top 5-10% or so), and I was lucky enough to have lots of options. I did twenty-something screening interviews, got twenty-something callbacks, actually went on 5-8 callbacks (don't want to out myself), and got an offer out of every callback. It seems like those at the top of the class had lots of offers, those in the middle had fewer callbacks and 1-2 offers, and those at the bottom (especially those w/o work experience) may not have fared so well. From what I've heard, if you were median or above and could interview well, you did just fine. If you were below median and didn't interview well, you could end up without a Biglaw offer. Hope this helps.
No problem! I did not apply to firms outside of NYC, but many of my friends did and were quite successful. All of my friends who want to practice in CA got offers from firms out there (Irell, Kirkland, etc.), and several others have offers from D.C. firms. I don't know anyone who targeted Chicago/Midwest firms.Jumbo wrote:Thanks for taking questions!twistedwrister wrote: I would generally agree that it is been tougher to get Biglaw this year than ever before (no surprise there). However, out of my 15 or so good friends who wanted Biglaw, only two did not get an offer. Personally, I did quite well 1L (top 5-10% or so), and I was lucky enough to have lots of options. I did twenty-something screening interviews, got twenty-something callbacks, actually went on 5-8 callbacks (don't want to out myself), and got an offer out of every callback. It seems like those at the top of the class had lots of offers, those in the middle had fewer callbacks and 1-2 offers, and those at the bottom (especially those w/o work experience) may not have fared so well. From what I've heard, if you were median or above and could interview well, you did just fine. If you were below median and didn't interview well, you could end up without a Biglaw offer. Hope this helps.
Do you happen to know how NYU students did in non-NYC firms? NYU seems like a good match for my numbers and interest, but I'm not sure if I want to live in NYC after graduation.