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Clerkship "that big of a deal" from doctor friend

Postby coramnonjudice » Wed Apr 04, 2018 1:57 pm

All of my close friends from undergrad are now physicians, and they all treat me like I'm the "dumb" one for going to law school. I recently told my friend, who is in a fellowship program at a state school for something OB/GYN related, about my new federal clerkship and the friend responded that they didn't know clerking for a federal judge "was that big of a deal." Am I being overly sensitive here for feeling slighted? Have any of you ever been shaded by doctor friends for "settling" to be a lawyer? (I'm actually proud of being a lawyer and it's what I wanted to do)
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Re: Clerkship "that big of a deal" from doctor friend

Postby gaddockteeg » Wed Apr 04, 2018 2:09 pm

IME laymen don't care about anything except biglaw.

I've been interviewing for AUSA offices and my non-lawyer friends, including my parents, basically think I'm trying to be a public defender now.

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Re: Clerkship "that big of a deal" from doctor friend

Postby hangingtree » Wed Apr 04, 2018 2:25 pm

I experience something similar to this. My friends don't appreciate that my school is practically on par with Harvard, I make a crapton of money and work at one of the best law firms in the world, so they also don't appreciate that graduating in the top quarter of my class is quite an achievement. Meanwhile, our doctor friend is the coolest guy in town, is so, so rich and works hard and better than anyone else in the universe.

But then I realize, who cares? And why does it matter?

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Re: Clerkship "that big of a deal" from doctor friend

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Apr 04, 2018 2:26 pm

Doctors do incredibly important and necessary work for society, so we should respect them. That being said, they aren't "special" or smarter than other white collar professionals. Medicine is a field for grinders, much like law and also finance. If anything, medicine has the most rigid and structured path of the big three careers and requires little to no creative or innovative thinking. It's study study study all the time, and when I say study, I mean largely rote memorization. I'm married to a doctor and also have a bunch of doctor friends. I admit I'm probably somewhat biased, but I believe that the top people at my HYS were smarter than the top doctors I've met (e.g. dermatologists, optho). And at the end of the day, the smartest people in my UG engineering classes were smarter than the top docs/lawyers. It's all relative.

Also, it's worth noting that you really shouldn't care about what others think about your profession. That's a sure path to ruin. Just do you.

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Re: Clerkship "that big of a deal" from doctor friend

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Apr 04, 2018 2:27 pm

Doctors do incredibly important and necessary work for society, so we should respect them. That being said, they aren't "special" or smarter than other white collar professionals. Medicine is a field for grinders, much like law and also finance. If anything, medicine has the most rigid and structured path of the big three careers and requires little to no creative or innovative thinking. It's study study study all the time, and when I say study, I mean largely rote memorization. I'm married to a doctor and also have a bunch of doctor friends. I admit I'm probably somewhat biased, but I believe that the top people at my HYS were smarter than the top doctors I've met (e.g. dermatologists, optho). And at the end of the day, the smartest people in my UG engineering classes were smarter than the top docs/lawyers. It's all relative.

Also, it's worth noting that you really shouldn't care about what others think about your profession. That's a sure path to ruin. Just do you.

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Re: Clerkship "that big of a deal" from doctor friend

Postby MtCamany » Wed Apr 04, 2018 2:28 pm

1) What kind of friend responds like that? I thought one of the perks of having friends is that they are happy for your accomplishments.

2) Why compete over this stuff? I have friends from undergrad who are doctors, one who's in finance, and the others working in fields without such clear benchmarks. But at the end of the day, we mostly just make fun of each other for stupid stuff we did back in college and don't worry so much about keeping up with the Joneses.

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Re: Clerkship "that big of a deal" from doctor friend

Postby minnbills » Wed Apr 04, 2018 2:40 pm

Most people I meet think my federal clerkship is some kind of unpaid internship. Non-lawyers are just clueless. I wouldn't worry about it.

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Re: Clerkship "that big of a deal" from doctor friend

Postby Vursz » Wed Apr 04, 2018 2:52 pm

minnbills wrote:Most people I meet think my federal clerkship is some kind of unpaid internship. Non-lawyers are just clueless. I wouldn't worry about it.


Haha, I've gotten the same "internship" thing.

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Re: Clerkship "that big of a deal" from doctor friend

Postby coramnonjudice » Wed Apr 04, 2018 3:11 pm

Anonymous User wrote: Also, it's worth noting that you really shouldn't care about what others think about your profession. That's a sure path to ruin. Just do you.


If it were just some doctor off the street, believe me, I would be the last person to care. But these are lifelong friends I'm talking about here.

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Re: Clerkship "that big of a deal" from doctor friend

Postby coramnonjudice » Wed Apr 04, 2018 3:15 pm

MtCamany wrote:1) What kind of friend responds like that? I thought one of the perks of having friends is that they are happy for your accomplishments.


Perhaps I'm not being overly sensitive, then, and it's time to consider that we inevitably have grown apart. I want to spend my very limited time around people who share mutual respect/support. It's just tough because we've been friends for so long. I don't know why but that comment about it not being a big deal really hit me hard.

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Re: Clerkship "that big of a deal" from doctor friend

Postby umichman » Wed Apr 04, 2018 4:08 pm

At the end of the day, it is a job. If you derive your self worth from what other people think of your work, then you chose the wrong profession.

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Re: Clerkship "that big of a deal" from doctor friend

Postby coramnonjudice » Wed Apr 04, 2018 4:33 pm

umichman wrote:At the end of the day, it is a job. If you derive your self worth from what other people think of your work, then you chose the wrong profession.


I understand what you're saying but don't find it particularly helpful/applicable--isn't it kind of a leap from hey I think my friend is dissing me to I have no self worth as a person because she doesn't worship my lawyerness.

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Re: Clerkship "that big of a deal" from doctor friend

Postby Traynor Brah » Wed Apr 04, 2018 4:36 pm

this was a pretty cringy thread

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Re: Clerkship "that big of a deal" from doctor friend

Postby JakeTappers » Wed Apr 04, 2018 4:39 pm

gaddockteeg wrote:IME laymen don't care about anything except biglaw.

I've been interviewing for AUSA offices and my non-lawyer friends, including my parents, basically think I'm trying to be a public defender now.


I get it constantly. I've clerked in 2 different locations the past 2 years and my friends absolutely think I'm a low-level admin or an apprentice or something given the title.

Care to share where gaddockteeg? I've interviewed with 4-5 large offices of late and am looking for some commiseration or at least check where others are in the process.

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Re: Clerkship "that big of a deal" from doctor friend

Postby NoLongerALurker » Wed Apr 04, 2018 5:11 pm

I once mentioned to a non-lawyer friend that a mutual friend of ours had snagged a clerkship with the Supreme Court. She was like "But I thought he did good in school..?" entirely confused. Until I explained, she actually thought this was way less impressive than biglaw (i.e., "one sounds like an internship where you don't even use the word "lawyer" -- clerk sounds like you're not qualified -- and the other sounds like you're on Suits and important").

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Re: Clerkship "that big of a deal" from doctor friend

Postby stoopkid13 » Wed Apr 04, 2018 7:18 pm

It probably doesnt help that in medicine, a "clerkship" really is basically an internship you do at the end of med school.

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Re: Clerkship "that big of a deal" from doctor friend

Postby agnes_bean » Wed Apr 04, 2018 7:26 pm

about my new federal clerkship and the friend responded that they didn't know clerking for a federal judge "was that big of a deal." Am I being overly sensitive here for feeling slighted?


I mean, it sounds kind of rude, but at the same time, given that they are a friend (and not like a random person where it would be rude to brag to them), I think to would be totally fair to reply something along the lines of "Oh, lots of people don't know, but actually it is a really big deal!"



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