Judges who female or LGBT law clerks should avoid

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Re: Judges who female or LGBT law clerks should avoid

Postby rpupkin » Fri Dec 29, 2017 5:02 pm

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Re: Judges who female or LGBT law clerks should avoid

Postby rpupkin » Fri Dec 29, 2017 5:07 pm

flashdril wrote:I guess I'm just confused where applicants are going to find this untapped pool of ex-clerks outside of for a subset of judges and a subset of schools.

You can often find someone you know—like a lawyer at your summer firm or a professor—who has a connection to an ex-clerk of the judge. And once you're at the interview stage, cold contacting a former clerk is fine, I think. The last two interviewees to contact me about my judge didn't go to my law school.

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Re: Judges who female or LGBT law clerks should avoid

Postby lolwat » Fri Dec 29, 2017 5:42 pm

rpupkin wrote:
flashdril wrote:I guess I'm just confused where applicants are going to find this untapped pool of ex-clerks outside of for a subset of judges and a subset of schools.

You can often find someone you know—like a lawyer at your summer firm or a professor—who has a connection to an ex-clerk of the judge. And once you're at the interview stage, cold contacting a former clerk is fine, I think. The last two interviewees to contact me about my judge didn't go to my law school.


I was involved in something recently where we had to find a bunch of ex-clerks and ex-interns of judges for reasons.
It was sort of a pain, but didn't take THAT long to amass a list of like 20 for each.

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Re: Judges who female or LGBT law clerks should avoid

Postby BlackAndOrange84 » Fri Dec 29, 2017 10:43 pm

rpupkin wrote:
flashdril wrote:I guess I'm just confused where applicants are going to find this untapped pool of ex-clerks outside of for a subset of judges and a subset of schools.

You can often find someone you know—like a lawyer at your summer firm or a professor—who has a connection to an ex-clerk of the judge. And once you're at the interview stage, cold contacting a former clerk is fine, I think. The last two interviewees to contact me about my judge didn't go to my law school.


I just want to second that it's fine to cold contact a former clerk without a connection of any sort. Is it better to have some connection (school or summer firm)? Yes. But it isn't necessary. I did this pretty extensively with one judge I interviewed with who hadn't hired from my school before.

Another potential avenue for leads: even if you don't have any alum who clerked for a particular judge, an alum who clerked on that circuit or in that district may be able to put you in touch with a former clerk of that judge from that year. They may also be able to provide some insight into how that judge and his chambers is perceived by others. I had a couple of alums do this for me.

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Re: Judges who female or LGBT law clerks should avoid

Postby A. Nony Mouse » Fri Dec 29, 2017 10:51 pm

Eh, you can do this (I have done this), but I don’t think it’s a magic bullet.

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Re: Judges who female or LGBT law clerks should avoid

Postby wwwcol » Sat Dec 30, 2017 11:22 am

I recognize that my approach differed from most, but I reached out to at least one former clerk for every judge that I considered applying to. About half the time the clerk graduated from ether the same undergrad or law school so that provided an easy connection, but the rest of the time I cold emailed anyways and just said I was trying to find out more about the clerkship and asked if they had 15 mins to chat. I think I ended up talking to about 20 or 30 people; only two or three either didn’t respond to the cold email or declined to chat (maybe on account of my personality, as Nebby observes :D)

The calls ended up being very helpful (which is the point I’m trying to emphasize to y’all-this info is sometimes out there if you put in the work to find it). A few clerks raised red flags that deterred me from applying. For example, one clerk basically said in an usually candid call that the judge worked the hell out of his clerks but never provided feedback other than “this is shitty.” Another alluded to the judge’s (exceedingly) high reversal rate.

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Re: Judges who female or LGBT law clerks should avoid

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wwwcol wrote:About half the time the clerk graduated from ether the same undergrad or law school so that provided an easy connection


Yea, I think people are really overlooking things like this. If you go to a school thats sends a lot of students into clerkships, this might be feasible.

If, like another poster mentioned, you go to a not top school and you're sending out 100 apps and getting 3 interviews and have no clue who ex-clerks are and neither does your CSO...this is not possible. Some schools barely have support for clerkship apps.

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Re: Judges who female or LGBT law clerks should avoid

Postby GoneSouth » Sun Dec 31, 2017 5:26 am

wwwcol wrote:I recognize that my approach differed from most, but I reached out to at least one former clerk for every judge that I considered applying to. About half the time the clerk graduated from ether the same undergrad or law school so that provided an easy connection, but the rest of the time I cold emailed anyways and just said I was trying to find out more about the clerkship and asked if they had 15 mins to chat. I think I ended up talking to about 20 or 30 people; only two or three either didn’t respond to the cold email or declined to chat (maybe on account of my personality, as Nebby observes :D)

The calls ended up being very helpful (which is the point I’m trying to emphasize to y’all-this info is sometimes out there if you put in the work to find it). A few clerks raised red flags that deterred me from applying. For example, one clerk basically said in an usually candid call that the judge worked the hell out of his clerks but never provided feedback other than “this is shitty.” Another alluded to the judge’s (exceedingly) high reversal rate.


It's great if you were able to get the clerkship(s) you wanted by only applying to 20-30 judges. But many people, even at good schools, are going to have to apply a lot more broadly than that.



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