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Clerkship Hiring in 1L Fall??

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Nov 15, 2016 4:59 pm

I am hearing scuttlebutt from some of my contacts at other similarly-ranked schools (I'm at one of HYS) that judges are interviewing candidates/potentially soliciting applications from candidates prior to 1L fall grades coming out. Naturally, this sounds completely insane to me, and nothing in my own clerkship application experience suggested that this is occurring.

Just putting feelers out here—is this anything that people have heard of?

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Re: Clerkship Hiring in 1L Fall??

Postby A. Nony Mouse » Tue Nov 15, 2016 5:28 pm

Disclaimer - I know nothing from personal experience, but lore has it that this was the kind of thing that was happening before the hiring plan was put into place, and one of the reasons for instituting the plan. So I have no idea if it's happening now but I believe it has happened in the past.

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Re: Clerkship Hiring in 1L Fall??

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Nov 15, 2016 9:18 pm

There are people at HYS with clerkships they got from feeder judges after 1L Fall grades. But I'm not sure how a judge would know who to interview before having at least one semester's-worth of grades.

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Re: Clerkship Hiring in 1L Fall??

Postby mjb447 » Tue Nov 15, 2016 9:31 pm

Legal ability is basically evident from birth, so I'm guessing preschool transcripts.

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Re: Clerkship Hiring in 1L Fall??

Postby emkay625 » Tue Nov 15, 2016 10:54 pm

No clue if this is happening. Just came in to unhelpfully say that if it is happening, that's insane.

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Re: Clerkship Hiring in 1L Fall??

Postby jd20132013 » Wed Nov 16, 2016 12:02 pm

It's almost like all the babble about "merit" was a lie :roll:

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Re: Clerkship Hiring in 1L Fall??

Postby cdotson2 » Wed Nov 16, 2016 1:03 pm

Anonymous User wrote:I am hearing scuttlebutt from some of my contacts at other similarly-ranked schools (I'm at one of HYS) that judges are interviewing candidates/potentially soliciting applications from candidates prior to 1L fall grades coming out. Naturally, this sounds completely insane to me, and nothing in my own clerkship application experience suggested that this is occurring.

Just putting feelers out here—is this anything that people have heard of?


I haven't heard anything at H, and I assume this is the kind of thing that would spread pretty fast here if someone was claiming that they already applied/interviewed with a feeder a month before first semester 1l finals.

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Re: Clerkship Hiring in 1L Fall??

Postby zaetoroftheprotoss » Fri Dec 02, 2016 4:37 am

There are several 2Ls at S that got clerkships with 1L Fall/Winter quarter grades (they had a high % of Hs and 1+ book prizes each). I haven't heard of any who got clerkships without 1L fall grades.

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Re: Clerkship Hiring in 1L Fall??

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Dec 05, 2016 10:12 pm

Anonymous User wrote:There are people at HYS with clerkships they got from feeder judges after 1L Fall grades. But I'm not sure how a judge would know who to interview before having at least one semester's-worth of grades.


At YLS fall grades would be irrelevant since unlike other schools there is no distinguishing between students on a transcript until May. Professor calls are how students are landing early interviews. Mere mortals must wait to actually make an impression on important faculty, but there will always be students with well connected family or other resources that can start the process immediately with faculty support.

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Re: Clerkship Hiring in 1L Fall??

Postby ArtistOfManliness » Mon Dec 05, 2016 10:15 pm

zaetoroftheprotoss wrote:There are several 2Ls at S that got clerkships with 1L Fall/Winter quarter grades (they had a high % of Hs and 1+ book prizes each). I haven't heard of any who got clerkships without 1L fall grades.


Only 1+ BP each? So non-feeders are hiring this early out? My god, times have changed.

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Re: Clerkship Hiring in 1L Fall??

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Dec 07, 2016 2:02 am

ArtistOfManliness wrote:
zaetoroftheprotoss wrote:There are several 2Ls at S that got clerkships with 1L Fall/Winter quarter grades (they had a high % of Hs and 1+ book prizes each). I haven't heard of any who got clerkships without 1L fall grades.


Only 1+ BP each? So non-feeders are hiring this early out? My god, times have changed.


At S. I think these were all late spring quarter/early summer hires. Earliest I've heard was June. So no spring grades, but still ~8 grades between fall and winter. Not sure on # of prizes, but afaik only feeders were moving before spring grades were out and S gets out later than other schools.

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Re: Clerkship Hiring in 1L Fall??

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Dec 10, 2016 1:12 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
ArtistOfManliness wrote:
zaetoroftheprotoss wrote:There are several 2Ls at S that got clerkships with 1L Fall/Winter quarter grades (they had a high % of Hs and 1+ book prizes each). I haven't heard of any who got clerkships without 1L fall grades.


Only 1+ BP each? So non-feeders are hiring this early out? My god, times have changed.


At S. I think these were all late spring quarter/early summer hires. Earliest I've heard was June. So no spring grades, but still ~8 grades between fall and winter. Not sure on # of prizes, but afaik only feeders were moving before spring grades were out and S gets out later than other schools.


The point AoM is making is that a feeder would not usually hire someone with "only" one book prize so if people with one book prize are getting hired it implies that non-feeders are hiring. But it sounds like your point was more that feeders are hiring pre-spring grades, not that people with one book prize are getting hired.

More on topic: I hope no one is getting hired or interviewed without grades. For all their faults, at least grades are blind and everyone knows has a shot of doing well. Interviewing without grades means interviewing based on connections or in-class gunning, neither of which is a good basis...



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