2017-2018 Clerkship Application Thread

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Re: 2017-2018 Clerkship Application Thread

Postby A. Nony Mouse » Fri Jan 22, 2016 9:58 am

Manali wrote:Are part-time paid clerkships a thing? Not sure if I'm ready for full-time work.

Extremely extremely rare. I knew a judge who split one clerkship into two part time ones, but they were career clerks who had worked for him previously. For a new grad I would say no.

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Re: 2017-2018 Clerkship Application Thread

Postby jbagelboy » Fri Jan 22, 2016 10:07 am

A. Nony Mouse wrote:
Manali wrote:Are part-time paid clerkships a thing? Not sure if I'm ready for full-time work.

Extremely extremely rare. I knew a judge who split one clerkship into two part time ones, but they were career clerks who had worked for him previously. For a new grad I would say no.


there are full time unpaid clerkships with federal judges, though, that tend to have lower standards for hiring. Not low enough for Manali unfortunately.

I think there are state trial court judges that will hire part time clerks.

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Re: 2017-2018 Clerkship Application Thread

Postby wwwcol » Fri Jan 22, 2016 3:55 pm

jbagelboy wrote:
A. Nony Mouse wrote:
Manali wrote:Are part-time paid clerkships a thing? Not sure if I'm ready for full-time work.

Extremely extremely rare. I knew a judge who split one clerkship into two part time ones, but they were career clerks who had worked for him previously. For a new grad I would say no.


there are full time unpaid clerkships with federal judges, though, that tend to have lower standards for hiring. Not low enough for Manali unfortunately.

I think there are state trial court judges that will hire part time clerks.


I lol'd hard

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Re: 2017-2018 Clerkship Application Thread

Postby Manali » Fri Jan 22, 2016 9:26 pm

Should all recommendations be from professors? Or should I mix in recs from work supervisors who can speak to my research and writing ability?

Also, is 10 pages fine for a writing sample?

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Re: 2017-2018 Clerkship Application Thread

Postby stretchedtoothin » Sat Jan 23, 2016 11:09 am

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Re: 2017-2018 Clerkship Application Thread

Postby Manali » Sun Jan 24, 2016 9:59 am

stretchedtoothin wrote:
Manali wrote:Should all recommendations be from professors? Or should I mix in recs from work supervisors who can speak to my research and writing ability?

Also, is 10 pages fine for a writing sample?


-sure, but look at the specific judge's instructions listed on OSCAR (if available)

-sure, but look at the specific judge's instructions listed on OSCAR (if available)



I'm talking about state court clerkships.

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Re: 2017-2018 Clerkship Application Thread

Postby stretchedtoothin » Sun Jan 24, 2016 1:13 pm

Manali wrote:Should all recommendations be from professors? Or should I mix in recs from work supervisors who can speak to my research and writing ability?

Also, is 10 pages fine for a writing sample?


Manali wrote:

I'm talking about state court clerkships.


-sure, but look at the specific judge's instructions listed on the state court's and/or the judge's website (if available)

-sure, but look at the specific judge's instructions listed on the state court's and/or the judge's website (if available)

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Re: 2017-2018 Clerkship Application Thread

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Feb 01, 2016 7:51 pm

Can someone "Chance me"?

2L. 3.9 gpa. Between top 5-10% at UCLA/UT/Vandy and on LR.

Ties to the midwest.

Summering V20

2-4 years of work experience pre law school.

Obviously, "apply and see what happens," but curious if anyone has thoughts on chances. No specific connection to any judge.

Also curious (and I'm sure this varies) about how long it usually takes for a judge to ask for an interview after applying? Sorry if some of this has been discussed -- just trying to manage expectations. Thanks in advance.
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Re: 2017-2018 Clerkship Application Thread

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Feb 05, 2016 11:48 pm

From what I can see on oscar and have heard from former interns (not clerks), S.D. Cal. doesn't hire for '17 till this summer. That's what the court webpage seems to indicate, but anyone know if that sounds right?

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Re: 2017-2018 Clerkship Application Thread

Postby Manali » Mon Feb 08, 2016 12:25 pm

Do you have to disclose on unofficial transcripts that you received disability accommodations in classes? (i.e. extra time on exams, note takers, ability to record classes, etc.) It may be disclosed on my official transcript, but I am not sure because I have not seen it yet.

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Re: 2017-2018 Clerkship Application Thread

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Feb 08, 2016 1:58 pm

Anonymous User wrote:From what I can see on oscar and have heard from former interns (not clerks), S.D. Cal. doesn't hire for '17 till this summer. That's what the court webpage seems to indicate, but anyone know if that sounds right?


Sounds right. It's a pretty small district. Have you checked out the judges' oscar pages? That might tell you.

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Re: 2017-2018 Clerkship Application Thread

Postby deuceindc » Mon Feb 08, 2016 2:56 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:From what I can see on oscar and have heard from former interns (not clerks), S.D. Cal. doesn't hire for '17 till this summer. That's what the court webpage seems to indicate, but anyone know if that sounds right?


Sounds right. It's a pretty small district. Have you checked out the judges' oscar pages? That might tell you.


Anecdotally, I've found that app openings vary from year to year. To wit: a District Court judge who's very high on my list opened his 2016 apps in April 2015, but his 2017 apps opened in January 2016.

OP: If you're gunning for a specific district, I'd recommend setting a daily email alert in OSCAR.

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Re: 2017-2018 Clerkship Application Thread

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Feb 09, 2016 7:48 pm

has Raggi (2nd) interviewed and/or hired yet?

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Re: 2017-2018 Clerkship Application Thread

Postby lowdmouse » Wed Feb 10, 2016 3:14 pm

deuceindc wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:From what I can see on oscar and have heard from former interns (not clerks), S.D. Cal. doesn't hire for '17 till this summer. That's what the court webpage seems to indicate, but anyone know if that sounds right?


Sounds right. It's a pretty small district. Have you checked out the judges' oscar pages? That might tell you.


Anecdotally, I've found that app openings vary from year to year. To wit: a District Court judge who's very high on my list opened his 2016 apps in April 2015, but his 2017 apps opened in January 2016.

OP: If you're gunning for a specific district, I'd recommend setting a daily email alert in OSCAR.


Or if the district is small enough, have your clerkship office reach out to see if/when judges open. It's not unheard of for judges to start hiring before they even update their OSCAR status to open. If a judge is very high on your list, there are lots of reasons not to rely on what OSCAR says they did last year.

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Re: 2017-2018 Clerkship Application Thread

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Feb 22, 2016 6:57 pm

In looking at the senior judges on 3rd circuit, do Barry and Greenberg still hire clerks for 2017 or not anymore?

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Re: 2017-2018 Clerkship Application Thread

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Mar 01, 2016 1:20 am

Has anyone heard from Judge Selna -- CDCA?

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Re: 2017-2018 Clerkship Application Thread

Postby Manali » Thu Mar 03, 2016 3:34 pm

If the judge gives you the option of Oscar, paper app, or email, which should I choose? I'm thinking paper since that's harder to ignore than an electronic submission.

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Re: 2017-2018 Clerkship Application Thread

Postby deuceindc » Thu Mar 03, 2016 7:29 pm

Manali wrote:If the judge gives you the option of Oscar, paper app, or email, which should I choose? I'm thinking paper since that's harder to ignore than an electronic submission.


Yep, paper is TCR, for that reason and because printing + mailing things takes marginally more effort, which makes you look more interested.

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Re: 2017-2018 Clerkship Application Thread

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Mar 04, 2016 10:21 pm

Anyone know if Lucero (10th Circuit) is hiring and/or has hired? Thanks!

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Re: 2017-2018 Clerkship Application Thread

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Mar 04, 2016 10:29 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Anyone know if Lucero (10th Circuit) is hiring and/or has hired? Thanks!

I know he has hired at least one.

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Re: 2017-2018 Clerkship Application Thread

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Mar 05, 2016 5:12 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Anyone know if Lucero (10th Circuit) is hiring and/or has hired? Thanks!

I know he has hired at least one.


Lucero is full.

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Re: 2017-2018 Clerkship Application Thread

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Mar 06, 2016 4:06 am

deuceindc wrote:
Manali wrote:If the judge gives you the option of Oscar, paper app, or email, which should I choose? I'm thinking paper since that's harder to ignore than an electronic submission.


Yep, paper is TCR, for that reason and because printing + mailing things takes marginally more effort, which makes you look more interested.


I get the argument for paper, but Oscar would have been the right answer in my old chambers. Paper apps are hard to pass around (we'd e-mail apps to the judge if we thought they looked promising), easy to lose, and just a general pain in the ass.

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Re: 2017-2018 Clerkship Application Thread

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Mar 06, 2016 10:07 am

Anonymous User wrote:
deuceindc wrote:
Manali wrote:If the judge gives you the option of Oscar, paper app, or email, which should I choose? I'm thinking paper since that's harder to ignore than an electronic submission.


Yep, paper is TCR, for that reason and because printing + mailing things takes marginally more effort, which makes you look more interested.


I get the argument for paper, but Oscar would have been the right answer in my old chambers. Paper apps are hard to pass around (we'd e-mail apps to the judge if we thought they looked promising), easy to lose, and just a general pain in the ass.


So clearly the answer is just like the answer for everything else regarding clerkships: it depends on the judge, there are no right answers, you have to guess, everything is random chance.

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Re: 2017-2018 Clerkship Application Thread

Postby newlawgrad » Sun Mar 06, 2016 11:20 am

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
deuceindc wrote:
Manali wrote:If the judge gives you the option of Oscar, paper app, or email, which should I choose? I'm thinking paper since that's harder to ignore than an electronic submission.


Yep, paper is TCR, for that reason and because printing + mailing things takes marginally more effort, which makes you look more interested.


I get the argument for paper, but Oscar would have been the right answer in my old chambers. Paper apps are hard to pass around (we'd e-mail apps to the judge if we thought they looked promising), easy to lose, and just a general pain in the ass.


So clearly the answer is just like the answer for everything else regarding clerkships: it depends on the judge, there are no right answers, you have to guess, everything is random chance.


Right. FWIW, I applied to about the same number of judges for district and then circuit. District I did almost all Oscar. Circuit I did solely paper (just about). Got two interviews for both.

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Re: 2017-2018 Clerkship Application Thread

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Mar 10, 2016 11:16 am

FWIW for all those out there struggling. I've been at this game for about 18months. Ive had 6 COA interviews...all rejected. The last 7-8 months have been complete silence with getting interviews. In the last week I just scheduled 3 upcoming. I guess this shows it's never really over.

Also if I don't secure one of these I'm done with applying. Everyone has their own limits where they just can't anymore.




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