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Re: Let's talk 2nd Circuit!

Postby Anonymous User » Sun May 12, 2019 4:50 pm

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Anon who got his/her hopes up probably went to Columbia, where Livingston adjuncts for $$$$$ every year. One would hope that she hires at least one CLS alum per year. I say this as a grad of NYU, which shells out $300,000+ of tuition bucks per judge to a huge bench of adjuncting federal judges.


Ya, this seems incredibly high. If I remember correctly I've seen disclosures for other federal judges adjuncting, and it was more in the $5,000-$25,000 range even at top schools. I suppose anything is possible with NYU, which has lots of money to splash around o faculty, but I'm shocked if it is anywhere near that. You'd think ever judge on the eastern seaboard would be angling for a job.


https://www.law.com/nationallawjournal/ ... 0412160913

I misspoke: it's probably only Edwards and GInsburg (D.C. Cir.) who make that much (i.e., $200K), and they used to or currently teach 1 full-credit seminar per semester. Katzmann and Lohier also teach at NYU, but they teach half-credit seminars only once a year, so they likely make a lot less than $200K.

FWIW, Livingston & Lynch are both listed as full-time faculty at CLS. They also both teach classes both semesters (Lynch taught 1L Civ Pro this year, Livingston usually teaches Crim Investigations, and they co-teach an appellate advocacy seminar). I'd assume they're getting paid well. Sullivan adjuncts, so probably less for him.

All three hire CLS clerks, Livingston usually 1 a year, although as noted previously their hires tend to be very top of class with a lot of support. All also take CLS externs (along with a few other CA2 judges).

Bottom line for clerkships (speaking from personal experience - hence anon), the CLS connection seems to help a bit, but given who they end up hiring unclear how much of a bump it really is.

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Re: Let's talk 2nd Circuit!

Postby Anonymous User » Sun May 12, 2019 8:48 pm

Lynch and Livingston were tenured faculty when they were nominated, hence the reason why they teach more often and why they presumably are better paid. Columbia University (not just the law school) has a rule against even tenured faculty taking leave for more than 2 years, which is why many faculty who take leave for government jobs of longer length (such as current SEC commissioner Rob Jackson) decamp to NYU first, which has no such rule, and has a revolving door of many more on-leave and fancy adjuncts (like Katzmann and Lohier). I suspect by continuing to teach every semester, Lynch and Livingston were able to remain on the full-time faculty roster, even though neither is truly "full" time. That said, it seems like a win-win for all involved, as they are both very well liked at CLS and it obviously gives CLS an "in" into their chambers.

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Re: Let's talk 2nd Circuit!

Postby m27 » Mon May 13, 2019 4:21 pm

Anonymous User wrote:bumping to see if anyone knows anything else about Judge Newman.


I heard that he only hires clerks who have young children, which is why he allows his clerks to work remotely most of the time.

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Re: Let's talk 2nd Circuit!

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:45 pm

Any movement regarding non-NYC 2COA judges?

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Re: Let's talk 2nd Circuit!

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:48 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Any movement regarding non-NYC 2COA judges?

just fwiw I interviewed with Cabranes for 20-21 last spring; he indicated at the time he had little interest in following the Plan (if you know anything about his personality you can guess how this was expressed).

He was still deciding when 2018 grades came out in June (I ended up with a different 2nd Circuit judge), but from what I understood at that point he only had one spot still open.

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Re: Let's talk 2nd Circuit!

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:18 pm

Any movement from the SDNY for 2022 slots?

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Re: Let's talk 2nd Circuit!

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:23 pm

Interviewed for a 2022 slot recently, no news yet.

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Re: Let's talk 2nd Circuit!

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jun 25, 2019 6:47 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Any movement regarding non-NYC 2COA judges?


Calabresi has hired for 2021. Not sure if he's full.

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Re: Let's talk 2nd Circuit!

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jun 26, 2019 12:33 pm

Cabranes is full for 2020 and had already filled some of his 2021 slots -- he's interviewed/offered since the 17th as well, so he may well be full for 2021 too.

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Re: Let's talk 2nd Circuit!

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jun 26, 2019 1:06 pm

Any word on the new appointees (Bianco and Park)?

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Re: Let's talk 2nd Circuit!

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jun 28, 2019 11:50 am

At least Calabresi, Katzmann, Kearse, and Lynch are officially done hiring for the cycle.

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Re: Let's talk 2nd Circuit!

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 09, 2019 10:51 am

Any word on Pooler?

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Re: Let's talk 2nd Circuit!

Postby Wild Card » Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:22 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Any word on Pooler?


She finished hiring for 2021-22 back in January.

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Re: Let's talk 2nd Circuit!

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jul 22, 2019 9:46 am

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She finished hiring for 2021-22 back in January.


Did someone back out? She had an OSCAR posting in May 2019 for an August 2021 start date.



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