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Re: Best and worst judges to clerk for

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Oct 07, 2013 7:40 pm

Check this thread out, as well, which is partially responsive to the thread prompt in this thread: viewtopic.php?f=34&t=203282

FWIW, I've heard the same things as the anonymous poster who posted this:

I have heard great things about the quality of life with some of the young GWB appointees, Judges Gorsuch, Kethledge, and Colloton.

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Re: Best and worst judges to clerk for

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Oct 07, 2013 9:31 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:Sloviter (3rd) and Smith (EDVa) are two that I have consistently heard negative things about.

Positive things: Almost all of the 9th Cir. judges in Southern Cal (must be the weather) have reputations as thoughtful judges, though some have a reputation for having huge expectations. Kozinski is rumored to openly pit clerks against each other in an effort to get more out of them, but my guess is if you have a shot at Kozinski, you don't really care about that kind of work environment and view the opportunity as worth the demands.


Kozinski work hours: Weekdays 9:30 am - 1:30 am, with a 2 hour break for dinner, business formal attire; Weekends 10-12 am - 1:30 am. No holidays, you work 365 days a year, including Christmas, New Years, etc. Kozinski's placement power in the SCT is also not as strong as when O'Connor was on the court. If you want a feeder judge there are probably at least a dozen on the same level with a more humane work experience.

A former clerk for a different judge in the 9th once told me that Kozinski says he doesn't interview for one-year clerk terms, he interviews for 365-day clerk terms. My friend then added that to be more honest, Kozinski should say he interviews for 365 days & nights.


Wow.


I think Kozinkski himself states that he offers only two-year clerkships--though to be completed in one year's time.

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Re: Best and worst judges to clerk for

Postby JusticeJackson » Tue Oct 08, 2013 2:19 am

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Re: Best and worst judges to clerk for

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Oct 08, 2013 9:36 am

I heard that, too. In other words, there's far from a guarantee that he'll give you a recommendation for SCOTUS. I'm sure no other feeder judge would ever guarantee a recommendation, either, but considering the work a Kozinski clerk has to put in, it's something to think about.

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Re: Best and worst judges to clerk for

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Oct 14, 2013 3:09 pm

Anonymous User wrote:I heard that, too. In other words, there's far from a guarantee that he'll give you a recommendation for SCOTUS. I'm sure no other feeder judge would ever guarantee a recommendation, either, but considering the work a Kozinski clerk has to put in, it's something to think about.


I can't fathom why someone would work for him rather than someone with similar stats who's a trifle more humane.

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Re: Best and worst judges to clerk for

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Oct 14, 2013 3:24 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:I heard that, too. In other words, there's far from a guarantee that he'll give you a recommendation for SCOTUS. I'm sure no other feeder judge would ever guarantee a recommendation, either, but considering the work a Kozinski clerk has to put in, it's something to think about.


I can't fathom why someone would work for him rather than someone with similar stats who's a trifle more humane.


A lot of people who have Kozinski-ballpark application profiles do choose to clerk for other judges who are more humane. The thing is, it's hard to turn down such a prestigious judge if that's your first offer, which it almost always is, given that he generally hires in Fall or early Spring, before other judges.

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Re: Best and worst judges to clerk for

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Oct 14, 2013 5:04 pm

He does appear to hire right out of the womb.

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Re: Best and worst judges to clerk for

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:11 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:I heard that, too. In other words, there's far from a guarantee that he'll give you a recommendation for SCOTUS. I'm sure no other feeder judge would ever guarantee a recommendation, either, but considering the work a Kozinski clerk has to put in, it's something to think about.


I can't fathom why someone would work for him rather than someone with similar stats who's a trifle more humane.


A lot of people who have Kozinski-ballpark application profiles do choose to clerk for other judges who are more humane. The thing is, it's hard to turn down such a prestigious judge if that's your first offer, which it almost always is, given that he generally hires in Fall or early Spring, before other judges.


Yeah, I know someone who got an interview with him, accepted it reluctantly, then got an interview with another (lesser but on the rise) feeder judge. He cancelled on Judge K., got the other one, and lived happily ever after.

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Re: Best and worst judges to clerk for

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:32 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:I heard that, too. In other words, there's far from a guarantee that he'll give you a recommendation for SCOTUS. I'm sure no other feeder judge would ever guarantee a recommendation, either, but considering the work a Kozinski clerk has to put in, it's something to think about.


I can't fathom why someone would work for him rather than someone with similar stats who's a trifle more humane.


A lot of people who have Kozinski-ballpark application profiles do choose to clerk for other judges who are more humane. The thing is, it's hard to turn down such a prestigious judge if that's your first offer, which it almost always is, given that he generally hires in Fall or early Spring, before other judges.


Yeah, I know someone who got an interview with him, accepted it reluctantly, then got an interview with another (lesser but on the rise) feeder judge. He cancelled on Judge K., got the other one, and lived happily ever after.


Yeah, I think that is definitely a good call. He's undoubtedly a very prestigious judge, but for a lot of people, especially those quality candidates, it's just not worth it. Do you mind sharing who the other judge was? Or give a ballpark on what you mean by "lesser but on the rise"?

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Re: Best and worst judges to clerk for

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Oct 15, 2013 9:16 am

Very similar situation here. School asked me if I wanted to apply to him, I said no, and then got a gig with a "lesser" COA judge who has a reputation for being wonderful to work for. Now I'm looking forward to my year instead of being scared about it.

I know several Kozinski clerks who love him and had a great time. I am sure it can be a great experience - but I really want to enjoy that clerkship year. (And of course, I have no idea if I ever would have actually gotten an interview in the first place).




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