2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jul 18, 2013 8:52 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:5th interview, 5th ding.

This process is pretty disheartening.


That sucks. Not getting any interviews at all—100+ applications and not a peep—is pretty disheartening, too.


True. I didn't mean to be insensitive.

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jul 18, 2013 9:14 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:I interviewed with a judge during the first week of July and haven't heard anything back since then. After the interview I sent a thank you and had a professor contact chambers. I also recently sent a follow up message. OSCAR shows the position as filled. Of course I assume the position is actually filled, but it seems odd that I still haven't received a rejection. Is it possible the judge is still choosing among interviewees to fill the position? Or is it not unusual for a judge to make hires but send no updates to interviewees for weeks?

I think it's unusual to not get a rejection in some form.


I interviewed with a judge on 6/28 and never received a rejection letter (I interviewed with a different judge and did receive a rejection letter--making me an excellent 0/2). I know for a fact that this particular judge has filled the position. So at least some judges don't seem to feel like they need to bother with rejection letters.

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jul 18, 2013 9:17 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Does anyone know about District Court judges in the southeast? I'm thinking NC, SC, GA, FL, TN. I haven't seen those states mentioned much on here and am hoping the judges are still interviewing and hiring since those are less competitive districts. Would appreciate info on specific judges or general observations.


I know someone who got W.D. Tenn.

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jul 18, 2013 11:37 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:Does anyone know about District Court judges in the southeast? I'm thinking NC, SC, GA, FL, TN. I haven't seen those states mentioned much on here and am hoping the judges are still interviewing and hiring since those are less competitive districts. Would appreciate info on specific judges or general observations.


I know someone who got W.D. Tenn.

I interviewed in both SC and AL with district judges a couple months ago. Also got an invite with a SDMS judge after I accepted. So judges are moving.

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby A. Nony Mouse » Thu Jul 18, 2013 11:40 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Does anyone know about District Court judges in the southeast? I'm thinking NC, SC, GA, FL, TN. I haven't seen those states mentioned much on here and am hoping the judges are still interviewing and hiring since those are less competitive districts. Would appreciate info on specific judges or general observations.


Honestly, I don't think less competitive means anything these days. Less competitive just means not quite as ridiculously insanely competitive.

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jul 19, 2013 8:28 am

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Anonymous User wrote:5th interview, 5th ding.

This process is pretty disheartening.


That sucks. Not getting any interviews at all—100+ applications and not a peep—is pretty disheartening, too.


0/1 rising 3L, 0/1 graduated 3L, out of ~250 applications :(


That sucks man. Sometimes its really not about fairness or qualifications- I feel incredibly blessed to have landed mine, and I have no delusions I'd have gotten this one if my judge didn't always hire one clerk from my school. And that's after over 200 applications this cycle.

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:11 pm

Magistrate judges in DNM are moving/have filled their positions.

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:37 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:5th interview, 5th ding.

This process is pretty disheartening.


That sucks. Not getting any interviews at all—100+ applications and not a peep—is pretty disheartening, too.


0/1 rising 3L, 0/1 graduated 3L, out of ~250 applications :(


That sucks man. Sometimes its really not about fairness or qualifications- I feel incredibly blessed to have landed mine, and I have no delusions I'd have gotten this one if my judge didn't always hire one clerk from my school. And that's after over 200 applications this cycle.


True indeed. I'm not even in top 14 or top 20% of my class, no LR. Just got one interview, which took. It really is about qualifications and a whole lot of luck. Don't take it to mean that you're not a good lawyer or student.

Props on getting 2 interviews. Some people get not bites at all.

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jul 19, 2013 1:41 pm

Cecchi (DNJ) is done
Mueller (CDCal?) is also done per OSCAR.

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jul 19, 2013 6:35 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:Interview request for District of Delaware judge


Paper application or through Oscar?

Paper. Submitted in early April.

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jul 19, 2013 8:55 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Does anyone know about District Court judges in the southeast? I'm thinking NC, SC, GA, FL, TN. I haven't seen those states mentioned much on here and am hoping the judges are still interviewing and hiring since those are less competitive districts. Would appreciate info on specific judges or general observations.


I got an offer from a USDC judge in Florida back in January. Several have been moving for awhile now. Like others have said, oftentimes its still several hundred applicants for one or two positions. My judge pulled my app from 500-600 apps and my district isn't a "major" one.

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jul 19, 2013 8:59 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:Does anyone know about District Court judges in the southeast? I'm thinking NC, SC, GA, FL, TN. I haven't seen those states mentioned much on here and am hoping the judges are still interviewing and hiring since those are less competitive districts. Would appreciate info on specific judges or general observations.


I got an offer from a USDC judge in Florida back in January. Several have been moving for awhile now. Like others have said, oftentimes its still several hundred applicants for one or two positions. My judge pulled my app from 500-600 apps and my district isn't a "major" one.


I give up.

I'm just going to keep making a bunch of money and hope it doesn't screw me in the end.

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jul 19, 2013 10:51 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Does anyone know about District Court judges in the southeast? I'm thinking NC, SC, GA, FL, TN. I haven't seen those states mentioned much on here and am hoping the judges are still interviewing and hiring since those are less competitive districts. Would appreciate info on specific judges or general observations.


I got an offer from a USDC judge in Florida back in January. Several have been moving for awhile now. Like others have said, oftentimes its still several hundred applicants for one or two positions. My judge pulled my app from 500-600 apps and my district isn't a "major" one.


I give up.

I'm just going to keep making a bunch of money and hope it doesn't screw me in the end.


I mean, my stats aren't incredible though. I think my judge just liked some idiosyncratic things about my application. Definitely still worth applying.

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jul 19, 2013 10:54 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Does anyone know about District Court judges in the southeast? I'm thinking NC, SC, GA, FL, TN. I haven't seen those states mentioned much on here and am hoping the judges are still interviewing and hiring since those are less competitive districts. Would appreciate info on specific judges or general observations.


I got an offer from a USDC judge in Florida back in January. Several have been moving for awhile now. Like others have said, oftentimes its still several hundred applicants for one or two positions. My judge pulled my app from 500-600 apps and my district isn't a "major" one.


I give up.

I'm just going to keep making a bunch of money and hope it doesn't screw me in the end.


+1

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Jul 20, 2013 1:32 am

If I got an email from a judge's clerk about a month ago saying, "I'm forwarding your application to the judge but I'm not sure when interviews will be; I will keep you posted," is it in bad form to email the clerk back to check in? Has anyone dealt with an email like this or should I just sit by and wait to for silence/maybe a call lol.

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Jul 20, 2013 3:41 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:If I got an email from a judge's clerk about a month ago saying, "I'm forwarding your application to the judge but I'm not sure when interviews will be; I will keep you posted," is it in bad form to email the clerk back to check in? Has anyone dealt with an email like this or should I just sit by and wait to for silence/maybe a call lol.


Just hold your ass and just wait. They'll get to you when they get to you.


False. Absolutely no harm in following up with a note to ask whether the judge has completed hiring. It takes them a second to respond, and saves you a lifetime's worth of anxiety.

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Jul 20, 2013 3:47 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:If I got an email from a judge's clerk about a month ago saying, "I'm forwarding your application to the judge but I'm not sure when interviews will be; I will keep you posted," is it in bad form to email the clerk back to check in? Has anyone dealt with an email like this or should I just sit by and wait to for silence/maybe a call lol.


Just hold your ass and just wait. They'll get to you when they get to you.


False. Absolutely no harm in following up with a note to ask whether the judge has completed hiring. It takes them a second to respond, and saves you a lifetime's worth of anxiety.

I agree. A month is long enough to wait before following up. If it was the very next day, or even the next week, that might be another thing. I would just preface your email with something like, "I recognize that you may be very busy and also that the judge takes his/her time reviewing applications, but I wanted to inquire..."

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Jul 20, 2013 7:02 pm

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hopkins23 wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:If I got an email from a judge's clerk about a month ago saying, "I'm forwarding your application to the judge but I'm not sure when interviews will be; I will keep you posted," is it in bad form to email the clerk back to check in? Has anyone dealt with an email like this or should I just sit by and wait to for silence/maybe a call lol.


Just hold your ass and just wait. They'll get to you when they get to you.


False. Absolutely no harm in following up with a note to ask whether the judge has completed hiring. It takes them a second to respond, and saves you a lifetime's worth of anxiety.


I look at it this way, as a cost-benefit analysis. What is the benefit of emailing chambers? If you get told that your app is still in the running, it would've still been in the running even if you hadn't emailed. By emailing them, though, you risk pissing them off and getting your app thrown away.

If you don't email them, your app may be in the running, or it may not be. You just don't know. Either way, don't worry about it, move on, and keep applying for clerkships. Choosing this option, you won't run the risk of pissing off anyone in chambers.

And, in my opinion, I don't think you'll get any brownie points if you call and ask about your app. They're not going to say, "Ohh, this guy really wants the job and took initiative." Maybe I'm wrong on this point, but I don't see judges acting that way.

Bottom line: I always just like submitting my app and letting it speak for itself. If they call me, they do; if they don't, they don't. After I submit my app to you, it's on you to contact me back. I'm not going out of my way to seem desperate and call you again.


This is clearly not a situation where someone's turned in an app through normal channels. The OP has a connection in chambers. There is no harm following up to ask merely whether hiring is still on. Nobody is saying, "Hey guys, remember me? I really want this. Want to get back to me now?" The clerk can say, "yup, we're still hiring" or "no, we're done." That information can also be gained pretty easily by picking up a phone and calling chambers. You won't even have to tell them your name if you're really THAT worried.

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby A. Nony Mouse » Sat Jul 20, 2013 7:43 pm

And honestly, I don't think someone's going to throw out an application just because you called/e-mailed one more time after a month has gone by.

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby lolwat » Sat Jul 20, 2013 8:10 pm

I don't think it'd hurt, but I'm waaaaay more inclined to send follow-up emails to law firms than I am to judges' chambers. I can't quite describe why, but I've had more than several times where my application just got lost or forgotten and the follow-up email got me further along in the process. I don't know if the same would've been true of clerkship applications. I just don't. :(

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Jul 21, 2013 12:44 am

Anonymous User wrote:If I got an email from a judge's clerk about a month ago saying, "I'm forwarding your application to the judge but I'm not sure when interviews will be; I will keep you posted," is it in bad form to email the clerk back to check in? Has anyone dealt with an email like this or should I just sit by and wait to for silence/maybe a call lol.


If it makes you feel any better, I was in a situation where I had already interviewed for a CoA position and the Judge had told me to expect to hear back within three weeks. After over a month of waiting, I called in to check on the Judge's hiring status and was told the Judge was taking a little more time to decide. Later got the job offer.

One anecdotal piece of evidence suggesting it's not that big of a deal to call.

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jul 22, 2013 11:23 am

Not sure if this is the best place for this, so feel free to repost wherever would be better, but D.N.M. just posted the following ad for a magistrate clerkship in Albuquerque:

http://www.nmcourt.fed.us/web/DCDOCS/dcindex.html

There's a posting on the US Courts site that describes the position as permanent, but the above is the posting that was just circulated internally, and I think is correct. Also, although the ad doesn't expressly state this, I'm pretty sure the position starts this fall (I believe a permanent law clerk is leaving and the judge needs someone quickly). Also note the short turnaround date.

Judge Molzen is also incredibly nice, smart, and hard-working.




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