2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby lolwat » Mon Jul 01, 2013 8:10 am

Tell him not to worry about something which he cannot control.


This. Also, even if he gets an exploding offer, the judge might allow him to finish his interviews before making a decision regardless, since he has the interviews lined up already and isn't trying to leverage into a "better" offer or anything. Or he/she might not and the friend will just need to decide on the spot then. It's out of his control at this point.

My judge has extended exploding offers to people he really likes, but he also doesn't really do things according to the hiring plan, so it's not typically the case that the kid has multiple interviews going on or anything.

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby LeDique » Mon Jul 01, 2013 4:33 pm

So, I turned out to get way behind the curve. What can y'all tell me about magistrates? Am I late on that front too?

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby gdane » Mon Jul 01, 2013 8:15 pm

LeDique wrote:So, I turned out to get way behind the curve. What can y'all tell me about magistrates? Am I late on that front too?

Don't worry about it bro. Clerkships are like 10's. Really nice to have, but totally unnecessary.

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby LeDique » Mon Jul 01, 2013 9:40 pm

gdane wrote:
LeDique wrote:So, I turned out to get way behind the curve. What can y'all tell me about magistrates? Am I late on that front too?

Don't worry about it bro. Clerkships are like 10's. Really nice to have, but totally unnecessary.


Well I'm worried about what is a complete waste of time to be applying to vs. what is reasonable. I'll give it to you in gdane: Basically I'm asking if magistrates are HB10s with gf's or single HB10s.

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby Lincoln » Mon Jul 01, 2013 10:43 pm

What do you want to do? My firm doesn't give bonuses for magistrates, so that's enough for me not to be interested. If you have a SA likely to lead to an offer, I'd just wait and apply for 2015, tbh.

Edit: That was meant for LeDique.

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Postby A. Nony Mouse » Mon Jul 01, 2013 10:47 pm

I don't think there's any particular evidence that magistrate judges hire on any different timeline from dist. ct or COA. It's true that there are always judges who hire after the plan, so you could always call up various chambers to find out if they're still hiring.

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby LeDique » Mon Jul 01, 2013 11:11 pm

This is kind of what I figured, but I wanted to check. I'm just looking for it for the helpfulness of having it on my resume -- I won't have an offer because I am interested in going into plaintiff's side work.

Looks like sticking with my plan of state appellate clerkship gunning is the best choice. We only get like 3 folks in fed. clerkships anyway.

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jul 01, 2013 11:35 pm

have a district court interview coming up next week - any advice regarding leveraging that into other interviews? How would you approach it if the other courthouses are more than 100+ miles away? Can't just say... oh, I'm in the area...

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby A. Nony Mouse » Tue Jul 02, 2013 12:07 am

Anonymous User wrote:have a district court interview coming up next week - any advice regarding leveraging that into other interviews? How would you approach it if the other courthouses are more than 100+ miles away? Can't just say... oh, I'm in the area...

I don't think you can parlay that into other interviews 100+ miles away - I've only seen it suggested for approaching other judges in the same area.

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 02, 2013 12:09 am

A. Nony Mouse wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:have a district court interview coming up next week - any advice regarding leveraging that into other interviews? How would you approach it if the other courthouses are more than 100+ miles away? Can't just say... oh, I'm in the area...

I don't think you can parlay that into other interviews 100+ miles away - I've only seen it suggested for approaching other judges in the same area.


What about this: I have an interview late afternoon tomorrow (set up today) and would like to parlay judges in the same building. However, I work in the same city so it's not like my being in the building is a big hardship. Still worth a shot?

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby ClerkAdvisor » Tue Jul 02, 2013 12:15 am

A. Nony Mouse wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:have a district court interview coming up next week - any advice regarding leveraging that into other interviews? How would you approach it if the other courthouses are more than 100+ miles away? Can't just say... oh, I'm in the area...

I don't think you can parlay that into other interviews 100+ miles away - I've only seen it suggested for approaching other judges in the same area.


It depends on the region and where you're coming from. I know several people who have 'parlayed' one interview in Texas into multiple interviews across Texas (e.g., original interview in Dallas and then adding on Austin and San Antonio).

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby A. Nony Mouse » Tue Jul 02, 2013 12:26 am

ClerkAdvisor wrote:
A. Nony Mouse wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:have a district court interview coming up next week - any advice regarding leveraging that into other interviews? How would you approach it if the other courthouses are more than 100+ miles away? Can't just say... oh, I'm in the area...

I don't think you can parlay that into other interviews 100+ miles away - I've only seen it suggested for approaching other judges in the same area.


It depends on the region and where you're coming from. I know several people who have 'parlayed' one interview in Texas into multiple interviews across Texas (e.g., original interview in Dallas and then adding on Austin and San Antonio).

Good to know - ignore my answer then. :D But I honestly can't see parlaying a local interview into another interview in the same city. At least, not in the sense of a traditional parlay where you let them know you're going to be in town if they want to meet with you - they'll know you're already in town. Of course, I could be wrong about that too!

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby Detrox » Tue Jul 02, 2013 12:38 am

A. Nony Mouse wrote:
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A. Nony Mouse wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:have a district court interview coming up next week - any advice regarding leveraging that into other interviews? How would you approach it if the other courthouses are more than 100+ miles away? Can't just say... oh, I'm in the area...

I don't think you can parlay that into other interviews 100+ miles away - I've only seen it suggested for approaching other judges in the same area.


It depends on the region and where you're coming from. I know several people who have 'parlayed' one interview in Texas into multiple interviews across Texas (e.g., original interview in Dallas and then adding on Austin and San Antonio).

Good to know - ignore my answer then. :D But I honestly can't see parlaying a local interview into another interview in the same city. At least, not in the sense of a traditional parlay where you let them know you're going to be in town if they want to meet with you - they'll know you're already in town. Of course, I could be wrong about that too!


This is more consistent with what I've heard. If you're on the east coast and get an interview offer in Los Angeles, you may be able to parlay in San Jose or Sacramento or even other west coast states, but living in NYC and getting a White Plains or Brooklyn interview isn't going to lead to parlay success...

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 02, 2013 9:54 am

Any movement amongst the Circuit judges?

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 02, 2013 10:42 am

A. Nony Mouse wrote:
ClerkAdvisor wrote:
A. Nony Mouse wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:have a district court interview coming up next week - any advice regarding leveraging that into other interviews? How would you approach it if the other courthouses are more than 100+ miles away? Can't just say... oh, I'm in the area...

I don't think you can parlay that into other interviews 100+ miles away - I've only seen it suggested for approaching other judges in the same area.


It depends on the region and where you're coming from. I know several people who have 'parlayed' one interview in Texas into multiple interviews across Texas (e.g., original interview in Dallas and then adding on Austin and San Antonio).

Good to know - ignore my answer then. :D But I honestly can't see parlaying a local interview into another interview in the same city. At least, not in the sense of a traditional parlay where you let them know you're going to be in town if they want to meet with you - they'll know you're already in town. Of course, I could be wrong about that too!


To provide some specifics, the state has multiple districts and I'd like to interview in a courthouse that is ~100 miles away. Anyone care to speak from personal experience?

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 02, 2013 10:51 am

Does expired essentially mean filled?

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 02, 2013 11:08 am

Anonymous User wrote:To provide some specifics, the state has multiple districts and I'd like to interview in a courthouse that is ~100 miles away. Anyone care to speak from personal experience?


I tried to parlay an offer in one courthouse with another that's out of state and 250 miles away. It's on the opposite side of the country from my law school, which is how the chambers probably associated me with a region, but only 1,200 miles from where I'm spending my summer. I didn't get the parlay interview, but that chambers didn't react like it was a crazy request. I think it just has to be a reasonable request based on where you're coming from. Atlanta and Miami are a long way away from each other, but that distance doesn't seem so far if you're coming from California. Etc.

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 02, 2013 11:25 am

i have a 3.9 at hys and mega extracurriculars (except no LR). i applied to 65 judges (all district) in the biggest markets and some smaller markets where i have ties. WHY AREN'T I GETTING ANY CALLS??? WTF???

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby A. Nony Mouse » Tue Jul 02, 2013 11:27 am

Anonymous User wrote:i have a 3.9 at hys and mega extracurriculars (except no LR). i applied to 65 judges (all district) in the biggest markets and some smaller markets where i have ties. WHY AREN'T I GETTING ANY CALLS??? WTF???

Maybe because HYS don't use number grades?

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 02, 2013 11:30 am

they have a number conversion system, but you have to calculate it yourself. p = 3, h = 4, DS = 5

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby A. Nony Mouse » Tue Jul 02, 2013 11:32 am

Anonymous User wrote:they have a number conversion system, but you have to calculate it yourself. p = 3, h = 4, DS = 5

So then your 3.9 is not the same as a 3.9 on a 4.0 scale, but more like a P++/H-?

(More to the point, those judges could have all hired off-plan, or prefer alums or the top students from the local schools.... there's not much you can do about it, almost nothing is a guarantee in getting a clerkship.)
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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 02, 2013 11:35 am

correct, although DS is kind of a separate grade as only 2-3 students get one per class. 3.9 is generally good enough for magna cum laude.

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby A. Nony Mouse » Tue Jul 02, 2013 11:37 am

Anonymous User wrote:correct, although DS is kind of a separate grade as only 2-3 students get one per class. 3.9 is generally good enough for magna cum laude.

Well, good to know. Again, it could just be luck of the draw with the specific judges applied to. Or you might get calls today, tomorrow, or next week. It's just hard to tell.

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Re: 2014-2015 Clerkship Application Thread - OP Updated 04/19/13

Postby bk1 » Tue Jul 02, 2013 11:40 am

1. 65 is not a lot of applications.

2. Large districts are very competitive.

3. Maybe what comes off as a sense of entitlement here showed through in your applications.

4. Clerkships are almost always a crapshoot even with good grades from a good school.

5. Maybe your applications had some egregious error.

The truth is, none of us know why you aren't getting calls.




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